No taxiways visible Pro Atc X

[dwschoeneck]

Hello Pete,

I'm a user of Pro ATC-X and P3D v.4.5. Recently I installed the new Berlin Brandenburg airport (EDDB) from Aerosoft. With the airport selected in Pro Atc X , I see gates and runways,

but no taxiways. I have the latest versions of makerunways and fsuipc installed. May be you can help. Pls let me know if more info is required.

Brgds

Dieter

[Pete Dowson]

1 hour ago, dwschoeneck said:

but no taxiways. I have the latest versions of makerunways and fsuipc installed. May be you can help. Pls let me know if more info is required.

There's been no changes in any version of MakeRunways which would affect it's detection of taxiways in the FSX/P3D scenery format. So it sounds like some sort of error in the scenery.

You need to check, first, the T5.csv file. Just search for EDDB. It's all in order of ICAO id.

Then search the Runways.txt file for EDDB -- make sure you get to the last such Airport entry if there is more than one. Extract the complete section from the "Airport ..." end to the next one, ZIP that section and attach it here.

You say

1 hour ago, dwschoeneck said:

Recently I installed the new Berlin Brandenburg airport (EDDB) from Aerosoft.

I've got the scenery too, but it's been installed for over two years now, since Aerosoft released the Pro version for P3Dv4. I've not noticed any problems.  Are you saying Aerosoft have updated it? My version is 

AS_MEGA-AIRPORT-BERLIN-BRANDENBURG-PROF_P3DV4_V1020.zip (3 GB)

and dates back to 2018.

Anyway, my cockpit is shut down for the weekend now, but I can look at it tomorrow.

Pete

 

[Pete Dowson]

I just checked EDDB this morning. 

The version of EDDB from Aerosoft I have (and i can't find anything later from them) has taxiways -- see below where I append the relevant section from my generated T5.csv file.

I also checked in Pilot2ATC (which I now use in place of ProATC/X, which I used to use) and that shows them properly. Please see pic below.

So, either you have a version of EDDB which I've not seen or found, or the installation has gone wrong, OR, possibly it's a ProATC/X problem.  Have you checked in the T5.csv files as I advised? If you have entries there for EDDB then you need to ask ProATC/X support about the problem.

Otherwise I think you should try re-installing that scenery and re-test. If there's still a problem, with the T5.csv file then, if you supply the section for EDDB from the "runeays.txt" file I'll see why it isn't make those entries.

Pete

EDDB,,22.86,52.364708,13.505301,5,22.86,52.364529,13.504593,1,22.86,52.364391,13.504040,1,22.86,52.363667,13.504501,1,22.86,52.363102,13.504861,1,22.86,52.362572,13.505198,1,22.86,52.361839,13.505664,1,22.86,52.361977,13.506228,1,22.86,52.362148,13.506921,5,0.00
EDDB,,22.86,52.371330,13.520491,5,22.86,52.372204,13.521379,1,22.86,52.371502,13.522036,1,22.86,52.370960,13.521704,5,0.00
EDDB,,22.86,52.386410,13.521767,1,22.86,52.386089,13.520417,1,22.86,52.385799,13.519195,1,22.86,52.385521,13.518010,1,22.86,52.384960,13.515642,1,0.00
EDDB,,15.24,52.359970,13.484548,1,15.24,52.359467,13.482490,1,0.00
EDDB,,22.86,52.361412,13.507393,5,22.86,52.361240,13.506701,1,22.86,52.361103,13.506131,1,22.86,52.360367,13.506600,1,22.86,52.360504,13.507173,1,22.86,52.360672,13.507848,5,0.00
EDDB,,22.86,52.360634,13.511061,5,22.86,52.360195,13.511333,1,22.86,52.359859,13.511562,1,22.86,52.360149,13.512762,1,22.86,52.360439,13.513968,1,22.86,52.360725,13.515168,1,22.86,52.361446,13.518159,1,22.86,52.360668,13.518680,1,0.00
EDDB,,22.86,52.367714,13.508128,5,22.86,52.368649,13.507442,1,22.86,52.368984,13.508808,1,22.86,52.368038,13.509502,5,0.00
EDDB,,15.24,52.357342,13.486212,1,15.24,52.356800,13.484129,1,0.00
EDDB,,22.86,52.387760,13.519421,5,22.86,52.386089,13.520417,1,0.00
EDDB,,22.86,52.367966,13.500209,1,22.86,52.367020,13.500806,1,22.86,52.364807,13.502199,1,22.86,52.363998,13.502710,1,22.86,52.362755,13.503493,1,22.86,52.358555,13.506140,1,22.86,52.358891,13.507538,1,22.86,52.359554,13.510300,1,22.86,52.359859,13.511562,1,0.00
EDDB,,22.86,52.357815,13.506606,1,22.86,52.358555,13.506140,1,0.00
EDDB,,22.86,52.360325,13.509764,5,22.86,52.359898,13.510065,1,22.86,52.359554,13.510300,1,0.00
EDDB,,22.86,52.358147,13.508012,1,22.86,52.358891,13.507538,1,22.86,52.360367,13.506600,1,0.00
EDDB,,22.86,52.368286,13.501563,1,22.86,52.367352,13.502159,1,22.86,52.365856,13.503109,1,22.86,52.365135,13.503567,1,22.86,52.364391,13.504040,1,0.00
EDDB,,22.86,52.354420,13.496320,1,22.86,52.352474,13.493692,1,22.86,52.350910,13.491575,1,0.00
EDDB,,10.67,52.369701,13.515839,1,10.67,52.369919,13.515470,1,10.67,52.370075,13.515327,1,10.67,52.370613,13.515744,1,10.67,52.370899,13.516218,1,10.67,52.371605,13.517469,1,10.67,52.371792,13.517535,1,10.67,52.372036,13.517479,1,10.67,52.372578,13.519829,1,10.67,52.372803,13.520816,1,22.86,52.372204,13.521379,1,0.00
EDDB,,22.86,52.366169,13.504375,5,22.86,52.365990,13.503655,1,22.86,52.365856,13.503109,1,0.00
EDDB,,22.86,52.365448,13.504817,5,22.86,52.365269,13.504116,1,22.86,52.365135,13.503567,1,22.86,52.364807,13.502199,1,0.00
EDDB,,22.86,52.373146,13.520494,1,22.86,52.372803,13.520816,1,0.00
EDDB,,22.86,52.375320,13.527184,1,22.86,52.374504,13.527698,1,22.86,52.376003,13.530075,1,0.00
EDDB,,22.86,52.387455,13.518136,5,22.86,52.385799,13.519195,1,0.00
EDDB,,22.86,52.363384,13.500149,5,22.86,52.363998,13.502710,1,0.00
EDDB,,22.86,52.371372,13.514533,1,22.86,52.370808,13.514912,1,22.86,52.370445,13.514760,1,22.86,52.368984,13.508808,1,0.00
EDDB,,22.86,52.362877,13.506447,5,22.86,52.362705,13.505760,1,22.86,52.362572,13.505198,1,0.00
EDDB,,22.86,52.367348,13.506626,5,22.86,52.368279,13.505941,1,22.86,52.368649,13.507442,1,0.00
EDDB,,22.86,52.353928,13.504298,1,22.86,52.356457,13.507462,1,22.86,52.357319,13.508538,1,0.00
EDDB,,22.86,52.363976,13.505765,5,22.86,52.363804,13.505058,1,22.86,52.363667,13.504501,1,0.00
EDDB,,22.86,52.360912,13.512264,5,22.86,52.360477,13.512538,1,22.86,52.360149,13.512762,1,0.00
EDDB,,22.86,52.356983,13.507130,1,22.86,52.356457,13.507462,1,0.00
EDDB,,22.86,52.365318,13.482072,1,22.86,52.366337,13.481359,4,22.86,52.366379,13.481330,2,22.86,52.366749,13.481070,1,0.00
EDDB,,22.86,52.361202,13.513468,5,22.86,52.360760,13.513748,1,22.86,52.360439,13.513968,1,0.00
EDDB,,22.86,52.366760,13.495139,1,22.86,52.356617,13.501543,1,0.00
EDDB,,22.86,52.366501,13.494038,1,22.86,52.356361,13.500457,1,0.00
EDDB,,22.86,52.364197,13.484344,1,22.86,52.365059,13.483788,1,22.86,52.365650,13.483408,1,0.00
EDDB,,22.86,52.361481,13.514671,5,22.86,52.361038,13.514953,1,22.86,52.360725,13.515168,1,0.00
EDDB,,22.86,52.367352,13.502159,1,22.86,52.367020,13.500806,1,0.00
EDDB,,22.86,52.368279,13.505941,1,22.86,52.367352,13.502159,1,0.00
EDDB,,22.86,52.363102,13.504861,1,22.86,52.362755,13.503493,1,0.00
EDDB,,22.86,52.361103,13.506131,1,22.86,52.361839,13.505664,1,0.00
EDDB,A,22.86,52.360729,13.522914,1,22.86,52.360401,13.521522,1,22.86,52.357319,13.508538,1,22.86,52.356983,13.507130,1,22.86,52.355782,13.502069,1,22.86,52.355526,13.500984,1,22.86,52.354420,13.496320,1,22.86,52.354095,13.494955,1,22.86,52.353790,13.493674,1,22.86,52.353416,13.492094,1,22.86,52.352715,13.489137,1,22.86,52.351753,13.485091,1,22.86,52.350109,13.478164,1,22.86,52.347561,13.467432,1,22.86,52.347248,13.466104,1,0.00
EDDB,B,22.86,52.348122,13.465568,1,22.86,52.348431,13.466879,1,22.86,52.350964,13.477600,1,22.86,52.352596,13.484510,1,22.86,52.353561,13.488605,1,22.86,52.354252,13.491528,1,22.86,52.354630,13.493128,1,22.86,52.354942,13.494449,1,22.86,52.356361,13.500457,1,22.86,52.356617,13.501543,1,22.86,52.357815,13.506606,1,22.86,52.358147,13.508012,1,22.86,52.360668,13.518680,1,22.86,52.361225,13.521043,1,22.86,52.361546,13.522394,1,0.00
EDDB,C,22.86,52.363686,13.482195,1,22.86,52.363876,13.483001,1,22.86,52.364197,13.484344,1,22.86,52.365009,13.487759,1,22.86,52.366501,13.494038,1,22.86,52.366760,13.495139,1,22.86,52.367966,13.500209,1,22.86,52.368286,13.501563,1,22.86,52.371372,13.514533,1,0.00
EDDB,D,22.86,52.364742,13.482444,1,22.86,52.365059,13.483788,1,22.86,52.365864,13.487188,1,22.86,52.367355,13.493496,1,22.86,52.367615,13.494600,1,22.86,52.368816,13.499673,1,22.86,52.369133,13.501024,1,22.86,52.372196,13.513977,1,22.86,52.373650,13.520120,1,22.86,52.375320,13.527184,1,22.86,52.376003,13.530075,1,0.00
EDDB,H,22.86,52.385521,13.518010,1,22.86,52.382496,13.517642,1,0.00
EDDB,J,22.86,52.386410,13.521767,1,22.86,52.383862,13.523369,1,0.00
EDDB,K,22.86,52.383862,13.523369,1,22.86,52.383533,13.522025,1,22.86,52.382496,13.517642,1,22.86,52.381870,13.515013,1,0.00
EDDB,K1,22.86,52.367882,13.485839,1,22.86,52.368259,13.485608,2,22.86,52.368301,13.485582,4,22.86,52.368610,13.485396,1,22.86,52.370068,13.486212,1,22.86,52.370358,13.486600,1,22.86,52.373985,13.495876,1,22.86,52.381439,13.514924,1,0.00
EDDB,K2,22.86,52.373985,13.495876,1,22.86,52.373302,13.495388,1,22.86,52.372852,13.495499,1,22.86,52.372448,13.496019,1,22.86,52.371937,13.499001,1,22.86,52.371841,13.500632,4,22.86,52.371838,13.500706,2,22.86,52.371754,13.502171,1,0.00
EDDB,K3,22.86,52.374607,13.514191,1,22.86,52.374989,13.513977,2,22.86,52.375034,13.513953,4,22.86,52.375473,13.513708,1,22.86,52.381439,13.514924,1,22.86,52.381870,13.515013,1,22.86,52.384960,13.515642,1,0.00
EDDB,K4,22.86,52.386089,13.520417,1,22.86,52.383533,13.522025,1,22.86,52.380516,13.523926,1,22.86,52.377804,13.525633,4,22.86,52.377762,13.525659,2,22.86,52.377384,13.525897,1,0.00
EDDB,K5,22.86,52.377552,13.526613,1,22.86,52.378002,13.526686,2,22.86,52.378044,13.526693,4,22.86,52.378239,13.526724,1,22.86,52.380192,13.525397,1,22.86,52.380516,13.523926,1,0.00
EDDB,L1,22.86,52.363876,13.483001,1,22.86,52.364742,13.482444,1,22.86,52.365318,13.482072,1,0.00
EDDB,L2,22.86,52.365650,13.483408,1,22.86,52.366650,13.482677,4,22.86,52.366692,13.482646,2,22.86,52.367062,13.482375,1,0.00
EDDB,L3,22.86,52.367355,13.493496,1,22.86,52.368267,13.494187,1,0.00
EDDB,L3,22.86,52.368267,13.494187,1,22.86,52.369949,13.496475,4,22.86,52.369984,13.496522,2,22.86,52.370621,13.497388,1,0.00
EDDB,L3,22.86,52.368267,13.494187,1,22.86,52.367615,13.494600,1,0.00
EDDB,L4,22.86,52.368816,13.499673,1,22.86,52.369785,13.500611,1,0.00
EDDB,L4,22.86,52.369133,13.501024,1,22.86,52.369785,13.500611,1,0.00
EDDB,L4,22.86,52.369785,13.500611,1,22.86,52.371536,13.503159,4,22.86,52.371571,13.503207,2,22.86,52.372231,13.504166,1,0.00
EDDB,L5,22.86,52.372776,13.512836,1,22.86,52.372585,13.513718,1,22.86,52.372196,13.513977,1,22.86,52.371372,13.514533,1,0.00
EDDB,L5,22.86,52.373108,13.507874,1,22.86,52.373013,13.509292,2,22.86,52.373009,13.509365,4,22.86,52.372776,13.512836,1,0.00
EDDB,L6,22.86,52.374607,13.514191,1,22.86,52.374500,13.515548,2,22.86,52.374493,13.515621,4,22.86,52.374222,13.519016,1,0.00
EDDB,L6,22.86,52.374222,13.519016,1,22.86,52.374039,13.519832,1,22.86,52.373650,13.520120,1,22.86,52.373146,13.520494,1,0.00
EDDB,L7,22.86,52.377384,13.525897,1,22.86,52.377007,13.526136,2,22.86,52.376965,13.526162,4,22.86,52.376099,13.526711,1,0.00
EDDB,L7,22.86,52.376099,13.526711,1,22.86,52.375320,13.527184,1,0.00
EDDB,L8,22.86,52.376003,13.530075,1,22.86,52.376652,13.530777,1,22.86,52.377174,13.530758,1,0.00
EDDB,L8,22.86,52.377174,13.530758,1,22.86,52.377941,13.530289,4,22.86,52.377983,13.530264,2,22.86,52.378365,13.530032,1,0.00
EDDB,M1,22.86,52.345497,13.468750,1,22.86,52.346359,13.466628,1,22.86,52.347248,13.466104,1,22.86,52.348122,13.465568,1,0.00
EDDB,M2,22.86,52.348431,13.466879,1,22.86,52.347561,13.467432,1,22.86,52.345497,13.468750,1,0.00
EDDB,M3,22.86,52.350964,13.477600,1,22.86,52.350109,13.478164,1,0.00
EDDB,M4,22.86,52.352596,13.484510,1,22.86,52.351753,13.485091,1,22.86,52.351116,13.485531,1,22.86,52.350697,13.490514,1,0.00
EDDB,M4A,22.86,52.354252,13.491528,1,22.86,52.353416,13.492094,1,22.86,52.352558,13.492674,1,22.86,52.352474,13.493692,1,22.86,52.352215,13.496890,1,0.00
EDDB,M4B,22.86,52.354630,13.493128,1,22.86,52.353790,13.493674,1,0.00
EDDB,M4C,22.86,52.354942,13.494449,1,22.86,52.354095,13.494955,1,0.00
EDDB,M5A,22.86,52.355526,13.500984,1,22.86,52.356361,13.500457,1,0.00
EDDB,M5B,22.86,52.356617,13.501543,1,22.86,52.355782,13.502069,1,0.00
EDDB,M6A,22.86,52.357815,13.506606,1,22.86,52.356983,13.507130,1,0.00
EDDB,M6B,22.86,52.357319,13.508538,1,22.86,52.358147,13.508012,1,0.00
EDDB,M7,22.86,52.358311,13.522735,1,22.86,52.360401,13.521522,1,22.86,52.361225,13.521043,1,0.00
EDDB,M8,22.86,52.361546,13.522394,1,22.86,52.360729,13.522914,1,22.86,52.359779,13.523521,1,22.86,52.358311,13.522735,1,0.00
EDDB,P1,22.86,52.366501,13.494038,1,22.86,52.367355,13.493496,1,0.00
EDDB,P2,22.86,52.367615,13.494600,1,22.86,52.366760,13.495139,1,0.00
EDDB,Q,22.86,52.365864,13.487188,1,22.86,52.365009,13.487759,1,0.00
EDDB,T,22.86,52.352715,13.489137,1,22.86,52.353561,13.488605,1,22.86,52.357342,13.486212,1,22.86,52.359970,13.484548,1,22.86,52.363686,13.482195,1,0.00
EDDB,V1,22.86,52.368816,13.499673,1,22.86,52.367966,13.500209,1,0.00
EDDB,V2,22.86,52.368286,13.501563,1,22.86,52.369133,13.501024,1,0.00

 

 

 

[dwschoeneck]

EDDB,,5.00,52.366829,13.506478,1,5.00,52.367950,13.511523,1,5.00,52.369049,13.510970,1,5.00,52.369713,13.513891,1,5.00,52.369480,13.514311,1,5.00,52.369415,13.515440,1,5.00,52.369389,13.516126,1,5.00,52.369198,13.516523,1,0.00
EDDB,,30.48,52.369198,13.516523,1,30.48,52.370293,13.520617,1,30.48,52.370415,13.522300,1,30.48,52.369537,13.523185,1,30.48,52.369926,13.524468,1,30.48,52.370361,13.524202,1,30.48,52.371445,13.525641,1,30.48,52.373405,13.528806,1,30.48,52.373867,13.529271,1,30.48,52.375950,13.533455,1,30.48,52.377346,13.534628,1,30.48,52.379539,13.536798,1,30.48,52.380581,13.538370,1,30.48,52.382706,13.535029,1,30.48,52.383057,13.532749,1,30.48,52.383110,13.530492,1,30.48,52.383465,13.529363,1,30.48,52.384872,13.527968,1,30.48,52.390354,13.523254,1,0.00
EDDB,,30.48,52.390610,13.520665,1,30.48,52.389309,13.520310,1,30.48,52.387997,13.517322,1,30.48,52.388241,13.514156,1,30.48,52.388809,13.513049,1,0.00
EDDB,,30.48,52.371040,13.484458,1,30.48,52.370892,13.486449,1,30.48,52.375992,13.499394,1,30.48,52.378525,13.505835,1,30.48,52.380390,13.504927,1,30.48,52.380108,13.503355,1,30.48,52.380608,13.502846,1,30.48,52.380947,13.502956,1,30.48,52.381107,13.507118,1,30.48,52.381458,13.508689,1,30.48,52.381786,13.511810,1,30.48,52.381947,13.512430,1,30.48,52.382244,13.512828,1,30.48,52.383438,13.513049,1,30.48,52.386375,13.513580,1,30.48,52.388241,13.514156,1,0.00
EDDB,,30.48,52.360252,13.479665,1,30.48,52.355797,13.482434,1,30.48,52.355499,13.481771,1,30.48,52.355366,13.481350,1,30.48,52.352806,13.482923,1,30.48,52.351849,13.478898,1,30.48,52.352985,13.478145,1,30.48,52.352470,13.475225,1,30.48,52.353485,13.473300,1,30.48,52.352955,13.471265,1,30.48,52.352158,13.471642,1,30.48,52.352051,13.471311,1,30.48,52.351509,13.468988,1,30.48,52.351196,13.469563,1,30.48,52.350506,13.471202,1,30.48,52.350033,13.471334,1,30.48,52.348396,13.464347,1,30.48,52.347691,13.464790,1,30.48,52.347382,13.464547,1,0.00
EDDB,,30.48,52.363285,13.531616,1,30.48,52.365597,13.530156,1,30.48,52.364895,13.527191,1,30.48,52.363838,13.522456,1,30.48,52.362877,13.518517,1,30.48,52.362988,13.518231,1,30.48,52.362610,13.515759,1,0.00

This is the copy of my T5.csv file.

Brgds

Dieter

By the way i use version 1.0.3.0 of Berlin Brandenburg prof.

 

[dwschoeneck]

irport EDDB :N52:21:43.6810  E013:30:00.2529  147.64ft
          Country Name="Germany"
          State Name=""
          City Name="Berlin"
          Airport Name="Berlin Brandenburg International"
          in file: Scenery\World\scenery\AFX_EDDB_BERALT.BGL

          COM: Type=8 (APPROACH), Freq=119.62, Name="BREMEN"
          COM: Type=9 (DEPARTURE), Freq=120.62, Name="BREMEN"
          COM: Type=1 (ATIS), Freq=123.77, Name="EDDB"
Second:
Airport EDDB :N52:22:42.9951  E013:31:14.0003  156.99ft
          Country Name="Germany"
          State Name=""
          City Name="Berlin"
          Airport Name="Schonefeld"
          in file: Scenery\0601\scenery\APX51130.bgl

          Runway 7R/25L centre: N52:22:21.1937  E013:30:20.0202  156.99ft
              Start 7R: N52:22:04.2514  E013:29:08.5227  156.99ft Hdg: 68.8T, Length 9822ft
              Computed start 7R: Lat 52.367683 Long 13.484990
              Start 25L: N52:22:38.1683  E013:31:31.517
Third:
Area.173 "Mega Airport Berlin Brandenburg Professional" (Layer=173)
Path(Local/Remote)=D:\Addon Scenery\Mega Airport Berlin Brandenburg Professional\.
=============================================================================
D:\Addon Scenery\Mega Airport Berlin Brandenburg Professional\.\scenery\EDDB_AFX-DUMMY-BER.bgl
=============================================================================
Deletions check for Airport EDDB2:
=============================================================================
D:\Addon Scenery\Mega Airport Berlin Brandenburg Professional\.\scenery\EDDB_AFX-OP01-BER.bgl
=============================================================================
Deletions check for Airport EDDB:
          Delete all taxiways!


          Delete all runways and starts!

              *** DelBth *** EDDB0071 Lat 52.380123 Long 13.517109 Alt 156.99 Hdg 67 Len 8872 Wid 148

              *** DelBth *** EDDB0072 Lat 52.367683 Long 13.484990 Alt 156.99 Hdg 67 Len 9822 Wid 148 ILS 110.70, Flags: GS BC

              *** DelBth *** EDDB0251 Lat 52.377426 Long 13.526132 Alt 156.99 Hdg 247 Len 9822 Wid 148 ILS 109.90, Flags: GS BC

              *** DelBth *** EDDB0252 Lat 52.388920 Long 13.554285 Alt 156.99 Hdg 247 Len 8872 Wid 148
Fourth:
D:\Addon Scenery\Mega Airport Berlin Brandenburg Professional\.\scenery\EDDB_AFX-DUMMY-BER.bgl
=============================================================================

Airport EDDB2 :N52:23:35.5387  E013:31:25.8593  147.64ft
          Country Name="Germany"
          State Name=""
          City Name="Berlin"
          Airport Name="Berlin Brandenburg Helipad"
          in file: D:\Addon Scenery\Mega Airport Berlin Brandenburg Professional\.\scenery\EDDB_AFX-DUMMY-BER.bgl

          COM: Type=8 (APPROACH), Freq=119.62, Name="BREMEN"
          COM: Type=9 (DEPARTURE), Freq=120.62, Name="BREMEN"
          COM: Type=1 (ATIS), Freq=123.77, Name="EDDB"
Fifth:
D:\Addon Scenery\Mega Airport Berlin Brandenburg Professional\.\scenery\EDDB_AFX-OP01-BER.bgl
=============================================================================

Airport EDDB :N52:21:43.6810  E013:30:00.2529  147.64ft
          Country Name="Germany"
          State Name=""
          City Name="Berlin"
          Airport Name="Berlin Brandenburg International"
          in file: D:\Addon Scenery\Mega Airport Berlin Brandenburg Professional\.\scenery\EDDB_AFX-OP01-BER.bgl

          Runway 7R/25L centre: N52:21:06.9135  E013:29:44.8436  147.64ft
              Start 7R: N52:20:49.2910  E013:28:03.9871  147.64ft Hdg: 159.7T, Length 13386ft
              Computed start 7R: Lat 52.345284 Long 13.467767

This the EDDB part of my runways.txt.

[Pete Dowson]

2 hours ago, dwschoeneck said:

This is the copy of my T5.csv file.

Okay, so there are taxiways for EDDB provided.  Not all of them if that's your total list from T5.csv.  But assuming you've truncated the list, I think you may need ProATC/X support now.

1 hour ago, dwschoeneck said:

This the EDDB part of my runways.txt.

No, there's a lot more than that, else there's no gates, no ILS's , just one runway, and no other selectable runways except 7R, and the taxiways you listed for EDDB couldn't have been extracted.

The main entry is the one for EDDB_AFX-OP01-BER.bgl and most everything will be there. It's a large section I assure you. the other two are iirrelevant to this.

2 hours ago, dwschoeneck said:

By the way i use version 1.0.3.0 of Berlin Brandenburg prof.

An updated version? Where do you find that? The latest i can find it the one i mentioned.

Have you tried uninstalling the scenery and installing again? Either way, you probably still need to refer to ProATC/X support now. MakeRunways is working, i can see that.

Pete

 

[dwschoeneck]

Hello Pete,

first of all , I would like to thank you for your help and your always quick reply.

I made the update using the ASUpdater. My next step is to follow your advice and reinstall the scenery.

Pro atc x guys can't help anymore. They asked me to contact you.

Brgds

Dieter

[dwschoeneck]

Hello Pete,

reinstallation failed. I give up now.

Thanks for your help.

Brgds

Dieter

[Pete Dowson]

Contact me by email. petedowson@btconnect.com.

I might be able to work out what is wrong with the scenery, but I’ll need complete files. Don’t post here.

As I said and showed, the previous version of the scenery is fine. Don’t know where your version comes from.

Pete

 

[dwschoeneck]

Hello Pete,

I've sent you an email few weeks ago. Please let me konow what files you need.

Brgds

Dieter

[Pete Dowson]

16 minutes ago, dwschoeneck said:

I've sent you an email few weeks ago

Really?  Sorry, I never saw it. Maybe it was in my Junk folder, but i always quickly scan through it before clearing it. Did you attach files? If so it may be that my Server didn't like one of them.

21 minutes ago, dwschoeneck said:

Please let me know what files you need.

I already said: the complete section in the Runways.txt file referring to that airport. Look back where I said so, here:

Quote

 

Posted November 30

  On 11/30/2020 at 2:06 PM, dwschoeneck said:

Okay, so there are taxiways for EDDB provided.  Not all of them if that's your total list from T5.csv.  But assuming you've truncated the list, I think you may need ProATC/X support now.

  On 11/30/2020 at 2:12 PM, dwschoeneck said:

This the EDDB part of my runways.txt.

No, there's a lot more than that, else there's no gates, no ILS's , just one runway, and no other selectable runways except 7R, and the taxiways you listed for EDDB couldn't have been extracted.

The main entry is the one for EDDB_AFX-OP01-BER.bgl and most everything will be there. It's a large section I assure you. the other two are iirrelevant to this.

 

The email contact is only needed if you need to send one of the BGLs for me to analyse. You can extract the relevant section of the Runways.txt file, ZIP it and attach it here.

Don't forget, also, that the information you supplied already does show there are taxiways, and they are in the T5.csv file, so really the problem seems to be in ProATC/X.  Shame that program appears to have been abandoned (as was the author's previous product). That's why the can't do anything.

Anyway, if you ZIP up the complete T5.csv file too, i could try the Taxiway map in my ATC program (Pilot2ATC). Both ZIPped files will be small enough to attach here.

On 11/30/2020 at 5:53 PM, dwschoeneck said:

I made the update using the ASUpdater

Where did you get "ASUpdater"? I just download files, including updates, from my Aerosoft account.

Pete

 

 

[dwschoeneck]

Hello Pete,

enclosed pls find the requested files.

I got the updater with one of the Aerosoft airport downloads.

Sorry the runways.txt file zip is too big for upload.(16MB)

Brgds

Dieter

t5.zip

[Pete Dowson]

52 minutes ago, dwschoeneck said:

Sorry the runways.txt file zip is too big for upload.(16MB)

I know! I didn't ask for the whole file!! I asked only for the section for the airport you have problems with -- the Aerosoft EDDB! In your post of November 30th you did include, in the post itself, part of that -- so you know how to do it. But you only posted a little bit, the start. I asked then for the whole section, up to the following "Airport .." section. That's the main source of what MakeRwys is finding.

As I said before, your T5.csv does include taxiways for EDDB, but it seems only 6 of them. Don't they appear in ProATC/X?

Pete

 

 

[dwschoeneck]

Hello Pete,

taxiways don't appear in Pro ATC/X. I made a screenshot of the airport. See below.

Brgds

Dieter

 

 

 

Airport EDDB.docx

[Pete Dowson]

3 hours ago, dwschoeneck said:

taxiways don't appear in Pro ATC/X.

Well, there are some in the T5.csv, but not all of them listed in the Runways.txt entry.

The Runways.txt entry shows lots of taxiway segments, all of which should appear in the T5.csv file. I cannot see anything wrong with the extraction made by MakeRwys. So, at present, the only thing I can think of is that there's another Airport EDDB entry later in the processing which is overriding the data provided by the main entry.

Two things you can do please:

1. Search the Runways.txt file for all entries starting Airport EDDB -- look for any such entries after the one you attached above. Subsequent entries can remove things like taxiways from earlier ones. If there are any such entries please show me them.

2. Use Lorby-Si's freeware AddonOrganizer program to export the list of scenery, producing an HTML file. Attach that to a reply.

Pete

 

 

[dwschoeneck]

Pete,

here we go. A lot entries.

Airport EDDB1.docx

[moskito-x]

Dieter,

If you go down in your list to the last Airport in the list it is (in red)          

in file: Scenery\0601\scenery\APX51130.bgl

and this is the default Airport !!

So you either posted the wrong list here or you are using the default Airport .bgl

Thomas D

__________________________________________________________________________________

Airport EDDB :N52:22:42.9951  E013:31:14.0003  156.99ft
          Country Name="Germany"
          State Name=""
          City Name="Berlin"
          Airport Name="Schonefeld"

          in file: Scenery\0601\scenery\APX51130.bgl

          Runway 7R/25L centre: N52:22:21.1937  E013:30:20.0202  156.99ft
              Start 7R: N52:22:04.2514  E013:29:08.5227  156.99ft Hdg: 68.8T, Length 9822ft
              Computed start 7R: Lat 52.367683 Long 13.484990
              Start 25L: N52:22:38.1683  E013:31:31.5177  156.99ft Hdg: 248.8T, Length 9822ft
              Computed start 25L: Lat 52.377426 Long 13.526132
              Hdg: 68.800 true (MagVar 2.000), Asphalt, 9822 x 148 ft
              Primary ILS ID = ISSE
              ILS: ISSE  110.70 Hdg: 68.8 , Flags: GS BC  Slope: 3.00, "CAT III ILS 07R"
              Secondary ILS ID = ISSW
              ILS: ISSW  109.90 Hdg: 248.8 , Flags: GS BC  Slope: 3.00, "CAT III ILS 25L"
              *** Runway *** EDDB0072 Lat 52.367683 Long 13.484990 Alt 156.99 Hdg 67 Len 9822 Wid 148 ILS 110.70, Flags: GS BC
              *** Runway *** EDDB0251 Lat 52.377426 Long 13.526132 Alt 156.99 Hdg 247 Len 9822 Wid 148 ILS 109.90, Flags: GS BC
          Runway 7L/25R centre: N52:23:04.2781  E013:32:08.5096  156.99ft
              Start 7L: N52:22:48.9556  E013:31:03.9050  156.99ft Hdg: 68.8T, Length 8872ft
              Computed start 7L: Lat 52.380123 Long 13.517109
              Start 25R: N52:23:19.5683  E013:33:13.1143  156.99ft Hdg: 248.8T, Length 8872ft
              Computed start 25R: Lat 52.388920 Long 13.554285
              Hdg: 68.810 true (MagVar 2.000), Concrete, 8872 x 148 ft
              *** Runway *** EDDB0071 Lat 52.380123 Long 13.517109 Alt 156.99 Hdg 67 Len 8872 Wid 148
              *** Runway *** EDDB0252 Lat 52.388920 Long 13.554285 Alt 156.99 Hdg 247 Len 8872 Wid 148

          HELIPAD at EDDB: H  
              Surface=Asphalt, Lat=52.380393, Lon=13.514427, Alt=157ft
              Length=112ft, Width=112ft, Heading=35.0T

          COM: Type=8 (APPROACH), Freq=119.500, Name="BERLIN DEPARTURE"
          COM: Type=8 (APPROACH), Freq=119.625, Name="BERLIN ARRIVAL"
          COM: Type=8 (APPROACH), Freq=120.625, Name="BERLIN DEPARTURE"
          COM: Type=8 (APPROACH), Freq=121.125, Name="BERLIN DIRECTOR"
          COM: Type=8 (APPROACH), Freq=132.700, Name="BERLIN ARRIVAL"
          COM: Type=8 (APPROACH), Freq=136.100, Name="BERLIN DIRECTOR"
          COM: Type=1 (ATIS), Freq=124.950, Name="EDDB"
          COM: Type=5 (GROUND), Freq=121.600, Name="SCHONEFELD"
          COM: Type=5 (GROUND), Freq=121.800, Name="SCHONEFELD"
          COM: Type=6 (TOWER), Freq=120.025, Name="SCHONEFELD"
          COM: Type=6 (TOWER), Freq=127.875, Name="SCHONEFELD"
          Taxipoint #0, type 2 (Hold Short):  N52:22:06.1303  E013:29:08.7897  -- Reverse
          Taxipoint #1, type 2 (Hold Short):  N52:22:16.8205  E013:29:53.8332  -- Reverse
          Taxipoint #2, type 2 (Hold Short):  N52:22:30.3613  E013:30:50.9401  -- Reverse

      ....................................

[Pete Dowson]

21 hours ago, dwschoeneck said:

here we go. A lot entries

As Moskito-X points out, the default entry comes last in your listing.  Did you add it as an afterthought?  I see it also appears at the start of the file too.

However, the default scenery doesn't remove anything, it just overwrites some things -- the runways, three taxi hold points, and a number of COM frequencies.

The culprit removing your taxiways, and a lot else probably, is the one or both of the other two entries for EDDB. This entry is very odd:

D:\Addon Scenery\Mega Airport Berlin Brandenburg Professional\.\scenery\EDDI_AFX.bgl

Airport EDDB :N52:21:43.6810  E013:30:00.2529  147.64ft
          Country Name="Germany"
          State Name=""
          City Name="Berlin"
          Airport Name="Berlin Brandenburg International"

The BGL name implies it is for EDDI, yet the ICAO code is given as another EDDB! (EDDI is, or was, Templehof, miles away).

The other odd one is the one it calls EDDB2, which is still EDDB as ICAO IDs only have 4 characters  That appears to be for what's left of Schonefeld (its Heliport?).

All three of those sceneries, all for EDDB, come in the same folder, so I assume they are intended. The problem might be the ordering -- they are processed in folder directory order (by MakeRwys and P3D) which is usually alphabetical order (but may not be). Your three are

EDDB_AFX-DUMMY-BER.bgl
EDDB_AFX-OP01-BER.bgl
EDDI_AFX.bgl

The ones in red are the strange ones. You should try renaming one of those (to say .bgl_passive), then checking the results.  If still not right, try the other instead.

I have noted this statement on the Aerosoft sales page:

Quote

The add-on Mega Airport Berlin Brandenburg professional covers the existing Airport Berlin Schönefeld as well as the adjacent new international airport. A simple tool makes it easy to switch between the current status and one where the new airport is already open. 

Maybe you need to investigate that, too? 

As I said, I have the previous version (and the one still current in my Aerosoft account with no update in sight), and that too has 3 airport files:

EDDB_ADEV5-DUMMY-BER.bgl
EDDB_ADEV5-OP01-BER.bgl
EDDI_ADEV5-OP01.BGL

The first is entitled "EDDB2 - Berlin Brandenburg Helipad".  The third is labelled as Berlin-Brandenburg too, which must be an error.  I haven't looked at that part of the scenery to check, but there appears virtually nothing there according to both your and my results.. 

I'm not losing any taxiways.

I think that's about as far as I can go with this.

[LATER] No!  I went further -- see next message!

Pete

 

 

[Pete Dowson]

I'm posting again just to bring this up to date and correct an earlier mistake of mine. The version I am using is the P3D5 one. I hadn't realised this was a completely different version to yours. Mine was 2.0.2.0. I've managed to find the ASUpdater (which is useful -- never seen it before, but it was evidently installed at some time in the past), and have now updated EDDB to version 2.0.3.0, which I assume corresponds to your 1.0.3.0. The readMe says:

2.0.3.0        - Changed Gatesnumbers to fit regular Numbers (1502 -> 15) 
        - Changed Gate usage to actual ICAO Airlinecodes after switch of TXL
        - Add centerline and light to Taxiway B
        - Prevent soft ground
        - Changed Concrete Textures of ground to get better differnce to Markings

I noted that the scenery, though sold by Aerosoft, is by 29Palms. Is your version by them too?

Anyway, after installing the update I ran MakeRwys and checked the T5.csv. I now get the same as you, just 6 taxiways.

The airport files I have are:

EDDB_ADEV5-DUMMY-BER.bgl
EDDB_ADEV5-OP01-BER.bgl
EDDI_ADEV5-OP01.bgl

As an experiment I renamed two of them, thus:

XEDDB_ADEV5-DUMMY-BER.bgl
EDDB_ADEV5-OP01-BER.bgl
XEDDI_ADEV5-OP01.bgl

Doing that appears to make it all work correctly.  I don't know why. I also see that EDDI is included in some detail. Strange.

Anyway, you could try something similar with your three airport files.

I've reported these problems to 29Palms, on their Forum, and will await their advice and resoning.

Pete

 

[srcooke]

Just to note the EDDI file is used to exclude the old ILS frequencies of Tempelhof that are now used at Brandenburg to prevent erroneous ILS approaches.

[Pete Dowson]

1 hour ago, srcooke said:

Just to note the EDDI file is used to exclude the old ILS frequencies of Tempelhof that are now used at Brandenburg to prevent erroneous ILS approaches.

Okay. But if that's part of the Deletions, then I process all the deletions in sceneries in a folder before processing the additions. The EDDI file does seem to contain more than just additions -- lots of taxiways to start with. It seems to be adding the airport.

Pete

 

[srcooke]

A workaround would be to create a new scenery folder 'OLD Tempelhof' with a sub-folder 'Scenery' and move the EDDI_AFX.bgl file to that location.

Run makerwys and import the AIRAC again in ProATC.

Whilst rare you may find this with other scenery entries also.

[Pete Dowson]

7 minutes ago, srcooke said:

A workaround would be to create a new scenery folder 'OLD Tempelhof' with a sub-folder 'Scenery' and move the EDDI_AFX.bgl file to that location.

Yes, that would make more sense.

However, I think it's the "DUMMY" EDDB2 file, apparently dealing with the Schonefeld area now part of Brandenburg, which is not just adding the heliport but also losing the taxiways and adding 6 unnamed ones instead. Somehow my renaming that had fixed it the way MakeRwys processes them, but I'm not sure why. The BGLs are processed in the order found in the folder directory and preceding the name by X should make it processed later, whereas it seems to now be overridden by the correct file.  Perhaps renaming a file brings it to the top of the directory? Seems odd, but it works for me.

Pete

 

[srcooke]

There are certainly some strange workarounds in place, the dummy file seems to have used grass paths around the boundary rather than them been actual taxiways.

[Pete Dowson]

Well, I cannot make any decent taxiway set from the ADE BGLs included in either 2.0.2.0 EDDB or the latest 2.0.3.0.

With 2.0.2.0 which i used before updating I got the taxiways shown in my earlier pic. Okay, but with only one of the taxiways linking the two runway areas included and no way for AI to get from many of the centre gates to either runway.

With 2.0.3.0 set so that the "DUMMY" (EDDB2) is off (.bgloff) I get no links between the parking areas at the old Schonefeld area, but I get decent links between the runway areas and a path from the centre gates, as shown in this pic:

If I enable the DUMMY bgl (EDDB2) and instead disable the main OP01 BGL, then the result is no taxiways, no gates, nothing. Of course that may be due to the illegal ICAO ID. But then, in that case, how come it messes up the main file when included?

Conclusion: I believe the best course, assuming 29Palms don't fix this (or possibly Oliver Pabst, who seems to be the AFD guru in Aerosoft), is to put up with the above illustrated stuation (i.e. with the DUMMY EDDB2 BGL switched off). Those who are familiar with ADE could fill in those few missing linking taxiways.

If anyone here does find a way to sort this, or can add theose taxiways, please tell us your solution and, if possible and allowed, include the fixed BGL.

Thanks,
Pete