Is FSUIPC 7 able to create a radar.bin ?

[Egyptair]

Hello,

is FSUIPC 7 still able to create a radar.bin file, when the appropriate entries in the ini file is made ?

I want to use the weather radar capability of Active Sky in connection with MSFS2020 and fsuipc and Pro-Sim 737.

(ASNwxRadarPath = C:\ ProSim737 \ ProSim737 \ radar.bin )  

This entry does not create the radar.bin anymore.

Thank you

Ahmed

Edited December 19, 2021 by Egyptair
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[Pete Dowson]

8 hours ago, Egyptair said:

is FSUIPC 7 still able to create a radar.bin file, when the appropriate entries in the ini file is made ?

I want to use the weather radar capability of Active Sky in connection with MSFS2020 and fsuipc and Pro-Sim 737.

I don't think that's feasible as it stands. In FSX/P3D ActiveSky has a module installed in the Sim which creates a data block from which the WX radar data is formed. I don't know if it does this with MSFS, but if it does then the only way FSUIPC could get it is by additional code in FSUIPC's WASM module.

Maybe John could add this -- we'd have to check with HiFi Simulations to check whether AS still does this (via its own WASM module presumably). But there's no chance in the near future. It would have to go on the list for considering in the New Year.

Pete

 

[John Dowson]

18 hours ago, Egyptair said:

I want to use the weather radar capability of Active Sky in connection with MSFS2020

But Active Sky is not yet compatible with MSFS2020 is it? As Pete has said, once Active Sky release a version compatible with MSFS, we would then need to look into integrate this functionality back into FSUIPC7.

John

[Pete Dowson]

7 minutes ago, John Dowson said:

But Active Sky is not yet compatible with MSFS2020 is it?

I was wondering about that after I wrote my reply above. After all, the MSFS info we have says the weather setting (and reading) facilities are not supported -- and maybe never would be.

I wonder if Egyptair  is not expecting ActiveSky to create its weather and clouds but is just using it in the hope that the WX data needed by ProSim and available to it directly from ActiveSky (it's a configurable option in ProSim) is somewhat similar to the current weather set in MSFS.

If MSFS is getting and implementing current weather from the Internet, then hopefully there will be similar winds and sky conditions to that which ActiveSky would be setting if it could. However, the wet cloud data which FSUIPC5/FSUIPC6 can get from the ActiveSky FS module does, in P3D, really does reflect the cloud positions injected by Active Sky.  I really can't see that can be the case with MSFS, and so even if FSUIPC7 was getting the radar information it won't correspond to what is actually the cloud positioning in MSFS, so the Radar image, if obtainable, would be pretty useless.

However, I was of course wrong anyway suggesting it would need changes to the FSUIPC7 WASM module. I forgot that FSUIPC7 can read Client Data in any case, as it does to get the LVar and Hvar data from the WASM.

So, I will ask Damian in HiFi Simulations about this. Maybe, just for the sake of having some sort of WX radar, he has or would implement the cloud mapping Client Data even though it may not correspond to the actual state in MSFS.

Pete

 

[Pete Dowson]

HiFi Simulation says ActiveSky is not supported for use with MSFS. It cannot set the weather nor therefore can it supply WX radar data. So there's nothing FSUIPC7 can do for you in this regard.

P3D5 remains the best sim software for use with ProSim.

Pete

 

[Egyptair]

Hello Pete & John,

 

ActiveSky is used to generate an WX Radar image. It sends information to pro sim and then an image is created. This works pretty well and matches very closely the weather in FS2020. You are right, it is independent of the weather in fs2020, but matches astonishing closely.  What is also astonishing is, that AS creates the correct image regarding the position of the aircraft, even AS waits for an connection to Prepar3D, which of course is not running. This all works, when I use simconnect as connection mode for FS2020 .- Pro Sim....

When using FSUIPC als connection Mode FS2020 - ProSim, then data is still received from AS (I can see this in the input logger), but no image is created.

My hope was, that fsuipc 7 can create a radar.bin file, as AS gets position data from prosim and returns weather image

Here is a picture of wx radar, data provided by AS, simulator = FS2020 and connection mode: pro sim

Ahmed

[John Dowson]

5 minutes ago, Egyptair said:

My hope was, that fsuipc 7 can create a radar.bin file, as AS gets position data from prosim and returns weather image

This is no longer possible, as ActiveSky is NOT compatible with FSUIPC7. FSUIPC6 (and earlier) use a dll provided by ActiveSky to achieve this - either the as_connect_v5.dll or the as_connect_64.dll (depending upon AS and FSUIPC version). But these dlls are no longer loaded by the FS, and if they were FSUIPC7 would still have no access to these as FSUIPC7 is a separate executable and is no longer embedded into the sim.

It is therefore no longer possible for such images to be created in FSUIPC7, sorry.

John

[Egyptair]

Hello John,

 

thanks for the fast reply and explanation.

Would it be possible to run FSUIPC 6 with as_connect_64.dll as a communication bridge and create the radar.bin?

This would be of course independent of FS2020, just communication between AS and FSUIPC ... I have both licences (6 & 7)... 

Ahmed

[John Dowson]

1 minute ago, Egyptair said:

Would it be possible to run FSUIPC 6 with as_connect_64.dll as a communication bridge and create the radar.bin?

To run FSUIPC6, you have to run P3D, as its an embedded dll, so I don't see how this can help...you will also get the weather/radar.bin from P3D...

John

[Egyptair]

Understood, so there is no way to get the data.

Thank you for your time John and merry Christmas to you !

 

Ahmed

[Egyptair]

Hello John & Pete,

 

I have thought about the issue again.

Fact is:

AS is producing a wx image and sends this to P3D // Pro-Sim.

FSUIPC <7 is able to produce a wx image from the data from AS.

The data is created by AS and then sent to P3D. FSUIPC <7 grabs this data (from P3D or direct from AS?) and produces the image.

So there must be a way to add this function to FSUIPC 7 in that way, that it grabs the data sent from AS to P3D and creates the radar.bin.

It would be a great addition for us homecockpit builders using the combination pro-sim and FS2020 to get a radar image .

What do you think ?

Thank you !

Ahmed

[John Dowson]

32 minutes ago, Egyptair said:

So there must be a way to add this function to FSUIPC 7 in that way, that it grabs the data sent from AS to P3D and creates the radar.bin.

It would be a great addition for us homecockpit builders using the combination pro-sim and FS2020 to get a radar image .

What do you think ?

No, this is not possible. There is no interface between FSUIPC7 and AS.

This topic is now locked - I have nothing further to say on this issue until/unless AS release a version compatible with MSFS. And even then, it will require integration work and discussions with AS to get this working. 

John