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E175 V3:Selecting stored flightplan CTD - FIXED

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On the E175 V3 (Hotfix applied), when I have more than two saved flightplans, the following gives a repeatable CTD:

  • On FMS, set present position
  • Press LSK 6R - FLT PLAN
  • Press LSK 6L - FPL LIST
  • Select second or subsequent saved flight plan - CTD occurs

Event viewer is not giving much away....

Faulting application name: Prepar3D.exe, version: 4.5.13.32097, time stamp: 0x5d8abf93
Faulting module name: KERNELBASE.dll, version: 10.0.18362.535, time stamp: 0x50cc8d5a
Exception code: 0xc0020001
Fault offset: 0x000000000003a839
Faulting process ID: 0x4298
Faulting application start time: 0x01d5bd1d1ce10229
Faulting application path: C:\Program Files\Lockheed Martin\Prepar3D v4\Prepar3D.exe
Faulting module path: C:\WINDOWS\System32\KERNELBASE.dll
Report ID: f21ef2a5-8115-4d96-9bb8-5ff191c0e4db
Faulting package full name:
Faulting package-relative application ID:

I have quite a few addons: Active Sky, Ultimate Traffic Live were both running. In addition, in case it is important, P3D is installed on C:\ drive and FeelThere E-Jets are on D:\ drive. Running Prepar3D V4.5.13.32097 client on a Windows 10 PC that's up-to-date on patches, etc.

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Mods edit: subject line to show issue IDed and FIXED.  Fix will be in upcoming SP.

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They are created by SimBrief. I was able to store many SimBrief flightplans in V2 and not have this issue. I also was able to use them in V3, but this was when I had just one flightplan in the folder. I don't know if the issue has been introduced with the Hotfix, or the fact I now have 3 saved flightplans in V3.

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I ran into the same issue with flightplans imported from SimBrief. If I have more than 3 flightplans in the customDB it will cause a CTD. Workaround for now is to keep the DB below 3 flightplans.

Richard

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3 hours ago, rwalls said:

I ran into the same issue with flightplans imported from SimBrief..

Good to know you are having the same issue Richard. Like you say, the workaround of keeping less than 3 flight plans in the CustomDB folder works, but hopefully this will be fixed by FeelThere soon.

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9 hours ago, Matty260191 said:

does your simbrief plan aircac match the aircrafts airac and have you deleted the SID/STAR from simbrief plan? 

Simbrief stores the flightplan as a .nz2k.fpl file. It does not include the SID/STARs by default. I have just successfully loaded a flightplan stored using AIRAC 1913 while the aircraft's AIRAC is 2001, so I don't think that's the issue.

There are currently only two stored flightplans in the CustomDB folder. Selecting the NAV > FPL LIST option on the FMC, displayed both flightplans, however, only the top one can be selected, so that's another bug.

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Well you wanna make sure the AIRSC is the same and I know what Simbrief does as I use it for every flight I do. It does by default include SIDS/STARS in the flight plan. I have absolutely no issue and Thats how I do it so I'm not sure what more I can help with. 

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7 hours ago, Papa Golf said:

flightplan stored using AIRAC 1913 while the aircraft's AIRAC is 2001

There are currently only two stored flightplans in the CustomDB folder. Selecting the NAV > FPL LIST option on the FMC, displayed both flightplans, however, only the top one can be selected, so that's another bug.

and AIRAC difference will cause problems.  if a plan loaded it only shows on that specific plan there wasn't a difference in a waypoint and/or navaid.

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@scoobflight,  I agree that differences in AIRAC versions between the flight plan and the aircraft may cause issues, if the waypoints, navaids, sids, stars, etc. are not the same between the different AIRAC versions. As mentioned above, when I was using the FeelThere E175 and E195 V2, I had several stored flightplans generated by Simbrief, using different AIRAC versions, and was able to select a flightplan and not get a CTD. It is only since I've upgraded to V3 that this issue has occurred. 

I have compiled the attached 3 flightplans all in the current AIRAC 2001, to allow this issue to be tested by FeelThere, should they want to. After saving each flightplan, I then went into P3D and here is the sequence of events:

  1. EGACEHAM01 created - this was the only flightplan saved in the CustomDB folder. Loaded saved flightplan successfully into FMC
  2. EHAMEDDM01 created - now 2 flightplans in CustomDB folder.  Although EHAMEDDM01 is displayed in the list of flightplans in the FMC, it cannot be selected.
  3. CYYCCYVR01 created - now 3 flightplans in CustomDB folder. All 3 flightplans displayed in FMC. I select the 2nd entry on the list (EGACEHAM01) and the CTD occurs.

@Matty260191, if you look at the attached flightplans in a text editor, and compare the waypoints with those listed in the corresponding PDFs, you'll see the SID and STAR waypoints aren't included. Maybe this is the reason @rwalls and I are experiencing this issue and you aren't. I've checked to see if there is some option in Simbrief which controls this, but I can't find it.

For now I can workaround the issues by only having 1 flightplan stored in the CustomDB folder.

EGACEHAM_PDF_1578342435.pdf EHAMEDDM_PDF_1578342286.pdf CYYCCYVR_PDF_1578341615.pdf EGACEHAM01.nz2k.fpl EHAMEDDM01.nz2k.fpl CYYCCYVR01.nz2k.fpl

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when doing the plan look and you will see the fp box will have the SID followed by the end way point of the SID then at the end it will have the start point of the STAR followed by the STAR just delete the text for the sid/star and analyse route.

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1 hour ago, Matty260191 said:

when doing the plan look and you will see the fp box will have the SID followed by the end way point of the SID then at the end it will have the start point of the STAR followed by the STAR just delete the text for the sid/star and analyse route.

With your comment: "I know what Simbrief does as I use it for every flight I do. It does by default include SIDS/STARS in the flight plan. I have absolutely no issue and Thats how I do it" I assume by 'flight plan' you mean the .nz2k.flp file that is generated. Just to be clear, I don't need to remove the SID or STAR from the Simbrief route box. When I click on the Generate OFP button in Simbrief and then use SimBrief Downloader to save the .nz2k.flp files, by default the file do NOT include the SID or STAR waypoints. This is what I want to happen, as it is in line with company routes.

Would you mind creating the EHAM-EDDM flight (as it includes both a SID & STAR) using the information in the corresponding PDF attached in my last post. Don't manually remove the SID and STAR from the route box and post the resultant .nz2k.flp file, so we can see the differences?

Also, out of interest, my Simbrief OFP layout = LIDO, do you use the same? If they're different I wonder does that determine if SID/STARS are included in the generated file?

 

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