Exception 25 "LEGAL_OPERATION"

[Scotfleiger]

What debug setting causes multiple Exception 25 "ILLEGAL_OPERATION to be logged in FSUIPC5.LOG?

  118375 Exception 25 "ILLEGAL_OPERATION", Ref 305, Index param -1 on read AddData for "BLEED AIR SOURCE CONTROL"
   118375 Exception 25 "ILLEGAL_OPERATION", Ref 306, Index param -1 on read AddData for "APU GENERATOR SWITCH"
   118406 Exception 25 "ILLEGAL_OPERATION", Ref 319, Index param -1 on read AddData for "GENERAL ENG FAILED:1"
   118406 Exception 25 "ILLEGAL_OPERATION", Ref 320, Index param -1 on read AddData for "GENERAL ENG FAILED:2"
   118438 Exception 25 "ILLEGAL_OPERATION", Ref 333, Index param -1 on read AddData for "FUEL TANK LEFT MAIN LEVEL"
   118438 Exception 25 "ILLEGAL_OPERATION", Ref 334, Index param -1 on read AddData for "FUEL TANK LEFT MAIN CAPACITY"

[Pete Dowson]

52 minutes ago, Scotfleiger said:

What debug setting causes multiple Exception 25 "ILLEGAL_OPERATION to be logged in FSUIPC5.LOG?

There is no option related to those errors on those particular Sim Vars. They shouldn't occur as they should always be readable.

Pete

 

[aua668]

Hi,

Just checked my log and it contains also these errors:

   121906 Exception 25 "ILLEGAL_OPERATION", Ref 433, Index param -1 on read AddData for "AIRSPEED MACH"
   121906 Exception 25 "ILLEGAL_OPERATION", Ref 434, Index param -1 on read AddData for "TOTAL AIR TEMPERATURE"
   121953 Exception 25 "ILLEGAL_OPERATION", Ref 435, Index param -1 on read AddData for "NUM FUEL SELECTORS"
   121953 Exception 25 "ILLEGAL_OPERATION", Ref 436, Index param -1 on read AddData for "UNLIMITED FUEL"
   122015 Exception 25 "ILLEGAL_OPERATION", Ref 437, Index param -1 on read AddData for "FUEL TOTAL CAPACITY"
   122015 Exception 25 "ILLEGAL_OPERATION", Ref 438, Index param -1 on read AddData for "FUEL TANK CENTER2 LEVEL"
   122078 Exception 25 "ILLEGAL_OPERATION", Ref 439, Index param -1 on read AddData for "FUEL TANK CENTER2 CAPACITY"
   122078 Exception 25 "ILLEGAL_OPERATION", Ref 440, Index param -1 on read AddData for "FUEL TANK CENTER3 LEVEL"
   122140 Exception 25 "ILLEGAL_OPERATION", Ref 441, Index param -1 on read AddData for "FUEL TANK CENTER3 CAPACITY"
   122140 Exception 25 "ILLEGAL_OPERATION", Ref 442, Index param -1 on read AddData for "FUEL TANK EXTERNAL1 LEVEL"
   122187 Exception 25 "ILLEGAL_OPERATION", Ref 443, Index param -1 on read AddData for "FUEL TANK EXTERNAL1 CAPACITY"
   122187 Exception 25 "ILLEGAL_OPERATION", Ref 444, Index param -1 on read AddData for "FUEL TANK EXTERNAL2 LEVEL"
   122281 Exception 25 "ILLEGAL_OPERATION", Ref 445, Index param -1 on read AddData for "FUEL TANK EXTERNAL2 CAPACITY"
   122281 Exception 25 "ILLEGAL_OPERATION", Ref 446, Index param -1 on read AddData for "FUEL TOTAL QUANTITY"
   122343 Exception 25 "ILLEGAL_OPERATION", Ref 447, Index param -1 on read AddData for "FUEL SELECTED QUANTITY"
   122343 Exception 25 "ILLEGAL_OPERATION", Ref 448, Index param -1 on read AddData for "FUEL TOTAL QUANTITY WEIGHT"
   122390 Exception 25 "ILLEGAL_OPERATION", Ref 449, Index param -1 on read AddData for "ESTIMATED FUEL FLOW"
   122390 Exception 25 "ILLEGAL_OPERATION", Ref 450, Index param -1 on read AddData for "GPS DRIVES NAV1"
   122453 Exception 25 "ILLEGAL_OPERATION", Ref 451, Index param -1 on read AddData for "EMPTY WEIGHT"
   122453 Exception 25 "ILLEGAL_OPERATION", Ref 452, Index param -1 on read AddData for "MAX GROSS WEIGHT"
   122500 Exception 25 "ILLEGAL_OPERATION", Ref 453, Index param -1 on read AddData for "PAYLOAD STATION COUNT"
   122500 Exception 25 "ILLEGAL_OPERATION", Ref 454, Index param -1 on read AddData for "PAYLOAD STATION WEIGHT:1"
   122547 Exception 25 "ILLEGAL_OPERATION", Ref 455, Index param -1 on read AddData for "PAYLOAD STATION NAME:1"
   122547 Exception 25 "ILLEGAL_OPERATION", Ref 456, Index param -1 on read AddData for "PAYLOAD STATION WEIGHT:2"
   122578 Exception 25 "ILLEGAL_OPERATION", Ref 457, Index param -1 on read AddData for "PAYLOAD STATION NAME:2"
   122578 Exception 25 "ILLEGAL_OPERATION", Ref 458, Index param -1 on read AddData for "PAYLOAD STATION WEIGHT:3"
   122625 Exception 25 "ILLEGAL_OPERATION", Ref 459, Index param -1 on read AddData for "PAYLOAD STATION NAME:3"
   122625 Exception 25 "ILLEGAL_OPERATION", Ref 460, Index param -1 on read AddData for "PAYLOAD STATION WEIGHT:4"
   122672 Exception 25 "ILLEGAL_OPERATION", Ref 461, Index param -1 on read AddData for "PAYLOAD STATION NAME:4"
   122672 Exception 25 "ILLEGAL_OPERATION", Ref 462, Index param -1 on read AddData for "PAYLOAD STATION WEIGHT:5"
   122703 Exception 25 "ILLEGAL_OPERATION", Ref 463, Index param -1 on read AddData for "PAYLOAD STATION NAME:5"
   122703 Exception 25 "ILLEGAL_OPERATION", Ref 464, Index param -1 on read AddData for "PAYLOAD STATION WEIGHT:6"
   122750 Exception 25 "ILLEGAL_OPERATION", Ref 465, Index param -1 on read AddData for "PAYLOAD STATION NAME:6"
   122750 Exception 25 "ILLEGAL_OPERATION", Ref 466, Index param -1 on read AddData for "PAYLOAD STATION WEIGHT:7"
   122781 Exception 25 "ILLEGAL_OPERATION", Ref 467, Index param -1 on read AddData for "PAYLOAD STATION NAME:7"
   122781 Exception 25 "ILLEGAL_OPERATION", Ref 468, Index param -1 on read AddData for "PAYLOAD STATION WEIGHT:8"
   122828 Exception 25 "ILLEGAL_OPERATION", Ref 469, Index param -1 on read AddData for "PAYLOAD STATION NAME:8"
   122828 Exception 25 "ILLEGAL_OPERATION", Ref 470, Index param -1 on read AddData for "PAYLOAD STATION WEIGHT:9"
   122890 Exception 25 "ILLEGAL_OPERATION", Ref 471, Index param -1 on read AddData for "PAYLOAD STATION NAME:9"
   122890 Exception 25 "ILLEGAL_OPERATION", Ref 472, Index param -1 on read AddData for "PAYLOAD STATION WEIGHT:10"
   122937 Exception 25 "ILLEGAL_OPERATION", Ref 473, Index param -1 on read AddData for "PAYLOAD STATION NAME:10"
   122937 Exception 25 "ILLEGAL_OPERATION", Ref 474, Index param -1 on read AddData for "PAYLOAD STATION WEIGHT:11"
   122968 Exception 25 "ILLEGAL_OPERATION", Ref 475, Index param -1 on read AddData for "PAYLOAD STATION NAME:11"
   122968 Exception 25 "ILLEGAL_OPERATION", Ref 476, Index param -1 on read AddData for "PAYLOAD STATION WEIGHT:12"
   123015 Exception 25 "ILLEGAL_OPERATION", Ref 477, Index param -1 on read AddData for "PAYLOAD STATION NAME:12"
   123015 Exception 25 "ILLEGAL_OPERATION", Ref 478, Index param -1 on read AddData for "PAYLOAD STATION WEIGHT:13"
   123062 Exception 25 "ILLEGAL_OPERATION", Ref 479, Index param -1 on read AddData for "PAYLOAD STATION NAME:13"
   123062 Exception 25 "ILLEGAL_OPERATION", Ref 480, Index param -1 on read AddData for "PAYLOAD STATION WEIGHT:14"
   123093 Exception 25 "ILLEGAL_OPERATION", Ref 481, Index param -1 on read AddData for "PAYLOAD STATION NAME:14"
   123093 Exception 25 "ILLEGAL_OPERATION", Ref 482, Index param -1 on read AddData for "PAYLOAD STATION WEIGHT:15"
   123140 Exception 25 "ILLEGAL_OPERATION", Ref 483, Index param -1 on read AddData for "PAYLOAD STATION NAME:15"
   123140 Exception 25 "ILLEGAL_OPERATION", Ref 484, Index param -1 on read AddData for "PAYLOAD STATION WEIGHT:16"
   123172 Exception 25 "ILLEGAL_OPERATION", Ref 485, Index param -1 on read AddData for "PAYLOAD STATION NAME:16"
   123172 Exception 25 "ILLEGAL_OPERATION", Ref 486, Index param -1 on read AddData for "PAYLOAD STATION WEIGHT:17"
   123234 Exception 25 "ILLEGAL_OPERATION", Ref 487, Index param -1 on read AddData for "PAYLOAD STATION NAME:17"
   123234 Exception 25 "ILLEGAL_OPERATION", Ref 488, Index param -1 on read AddData for "PAYLOAD STATION WEIGHT:18"
   123281 Exception 25 "ILLEGAL_OPERATION", Ref 489, Index param -1 on read AddData for "PAYLOAD STATION NAME:18"
   123281 Exception 25 "ILLEGAL_OPERATION", Ref 490, Index param -1 on read AddData for "PAYLOAD STATION WEIGHT:19"
   123343 Exception 25 "ILLEGAL_OPERATION", Ref 491, Index param -1 on read AddData for "PAYLOAD STATION NAME:19"
   123343 Exception 25 "ILLEGAL_OPERATION", Ref 492, Index param -1 on read AddData for "PAYLOAD STATION WEIGHT:20"
   123406 Exception 25 "ILLEGAL_OPERATION", Ref 493, Index param -1 on read AddData for "PAYLOAD STATION NAME:20"
   123406 Exception 25 "ILLEGAL_OPERATION", Ref 494, Index param -1 on read AddData for "PAYLOAD STATION WEIGHT:21"

It's with P3D 4.5 latest version, FSUIPC Version 5.152 and with the Aerosoft A320. Can't remember, that I have seen this before. There was a .NET update some days ago for WIN10.

Rgds
Reinhard

 

[Scotfleiger]

Thank you Peter. I am also using P3Dv4.5, Aerosoft A320 Pro and, obviously, LINDA. I am seeing similar Exception 25 errors from 2 other of my users.

[Pete Dowson]

1 hour ago, aua668 said:

It's with P3D 4.5 latest version, FSUIPC Version 5.152 and with the Aerosoft A320. Can't remember, that I have seen this before. There was a .NET update some days ago for WIN10.

What about without the A320? 

Current version of FSUIPC is 5.153, since 9th December 2019 I think.

Are you also using LINDA?

47 minutes ago, Scotfleiger said:

I am also using P3Dv4.5, Aerosoft A320 Pro and, obviously, LINDA. I am seeing similar Exception 25 errors from 2 other of my users.

So, is the A320 the common factor?  Or LINDA, Or both together?

I've only seen this sort of thing happen when there's something wrong with Simconnect -- normally some corruption. As a first test try adding "NoWeatherAtAll=Yes" to the [General] section of FSUIPC. That should eliminate any possibility of it being a corrupt weather file (wxStationList.bin, or one or more .WX files).  It that "fixes" t you neen to delete those files and let them rebuild.

Otherwise it'll need a process of elimination, no add-ons, then add them one by one. but start with the A320 and/or LINDA first in any case.

Pete

 

 

 

[aua668]

Hi,

 

I will update to the latest version as I normally always do. Missed that update obviously during the Xmas holidays. Too much sweets and wine with the family 😉

I don't use LINDA, but I use self-developed LUA modules for interfacing my planes to my GoFlight hardware. With other planes (eg the Majestic Dash Q400) I don't see these messages). With the Q400 there always have been three other strange messages from begining of the plane and in all FSUIPC vrsions:

    80063 Exception 3 "UNRECOGNIZED_ID", Ref 2774, Index param 1 on write SetData for "RECIP ENG FUEL FLOW:1"
    80063 Exception 3 "UNRECOGNIZED_ID", Ref 2775, Index param 1 on write SetData for "RECIP ENG FUEL FLOW:2"
    80063 Exception 3 "UNRECOGNIZED_ID", Ref 2776, Index param 1 on write SetData for "RECIP ENG FUEL FLOW:3"

But these messages always have been there. I once reported them to Majestic, but they had no idea. They also had no negative side effect.

So the common thing in the above case is obviously the A320 Pro. The tests I will do on the weekend.

Rgds
Reinhard

[Scotfleiger]

Pete

The Exception 25 errors only appear when a Aerosoft Airbus A3XX Pro series aircraft is being loaded. Once loaded in P3D the errors no longer appear. The Aerosoft CRJ does not and I will need to check other aircraft. As stated by aua668 it has no effect on operations - there is no action required. I am using 5.153.

[aua668]

Hi,

I updated to 5.153, did a test with the A320 and then with the standard A36 from P3D. Only with the A320 the errors occured. The parameter NoWeatherAtAll=Yes I had already in my INI file. I also tested with the E195 from Feelthere - no errors in the log.

Rgds
Reinhard

[Pete Dowson]

27 minutes ago, aua668 said:

I updated to 5.153, did a test with the A320 and then with the standard A36 from P3D. Only with the A320 the errors occured.

 

1 hour ago, Scotfleiger said:

The Exception 25 errors only appear when a Aerosoft Airbus A3XX Pro series aircraft is being loaded. Once loaded in P3D the errors no longer appear.

Hmm. Interesting. I'm sorry, but I've no idea what is going on.

Maybe I'll ask Aerosoft about it. I don't know who the developer is but maybe we could get him to explain it for us, as it smells like a SimConnect corruption of some sort. 

Maybe we can get an A320 for testing.

How important is it for this to be resolved? it sounds like it has no adverse effects. If that's true and no explanation can be found we can probably simply suppress the reports.

Pete

 

[aua668]

Hi Pete,

As it has no side effect, it's low priority. All connections I need are working. So no urgent issue (but maybe interesting to know, where these strange messages are coming from). For the connection of my hardware to the A320 I only use Lvars and standard FSUIPC offsets, if the A320 uses them. So I make no direct use of SimConnect functionalities.
Suppressing the messages is also a solution 😉

Rgds
Reinhard

 

[Pete Dowson]

3 hours ago, aua668 said:

maybe interesting to know, where these strange messages are coming from

FSUIPC is reading all those SimVars in order to populate the offsets, just in case something wants to read them. It's really part of its basic function.

Pete

 

[Pete Dowson]

3 hours ago, aua668 said:

Suppressing the messages is also a solution 😉

That's a bit like "brushing the problems under the carpet". I'd look to getting it solved first, being it in the A320 code or not.

 

[aua668]

Hi,

 

One interesting observation: Scotfleiger gets different warnings compared to me. I also do not get exactly the same warnings all the time, but they are often quite similar. So it's maybe timing dependent. When you load the plane, Aerosoft runs some scripts for initializing the panel state to the user-configured preference (cold & dark, ready to fly, etc.). Also the Navigraph database is loaded etc.

And they use simconnect too. Maybe there is something blocking your reading and you just have to wait a little bit before running your initialization. Just a guess without knowing the details.

I enclose my INI and log files for your reference including also two logs from the A320, my flight file and the A320 FSUIPC profile.

Rgds
Reinhard

 

A320_Logs.zip

[aua668]

Hi,

I did additional tests with different InitDelay parameter values in the INI file to check, if the behaviour is changing. But this made no difference at all. Then I eliminated the call to vpilot, which is the entry before the errors occur. But the errors still occured.

Rgds
Reinhard