SteeringTillerControl in Joystick calibration (ProSim 737)

[Manuel Garcia]

Hello all, I am new to this forum, I have prepar3d v5.3 HF3 and FSUIPC6, I am trying to connect my Agronn tiller via the CPflight ICS board as it's correctly recognized by cpflight, but I cannot make it work in Prepar3d v5, one suggestion I got was to unassigned all the rudder from fsuipc as it's recognized when I moved the rudder under: "Joystick Calibration" and SteeringTillerControl, I cannot find the way to unassigned it as I use also Prosim737, any ideas?

The tiller should technically work connected to Prosim directly via the ICS in Cpflight.

Thank you for your comments,

 

Manuel.

[Pete Dowson]

10 hours ago, Manuel Garcia said:

I have prepar3d v5.3 HF3 and FSUIPC6, I am trying to connect my Agronn tiller via the CPflight ICS board as it's correctly recognized by cpflight, but I cannot make it work in Prepar3d v5, one suggestion I got was to unassigned all the rudder from fsuipc as it's recognized when I moved the rudder under: "Joystick Calibration" and SteeringTillerControl, I cannot find the way to unassigned it as I use also Prosim737, any ideas?

The tiller should technically work connected to Prosim directly via the ICS in Cpflight.

With Prosim v3 you must assign and calibrate all flight controls, tiller included, in Prosim, not in FSUIPC.

Remove the assignments in FSUIPC by unticking those on the left side of the axis assignments tab, and remove the calibrations in the joystick calibration section by pressing the Reset button, top left for each calibrated control.

Pete

 

 

[Manuel Garcia]

Hello Pete, thanks for the answer, I will try tonight and report back if it works, I just did not know how to delete assignments inside FSUIPC the right way, i was trying to delete them in the fsuipc.ini but that did not work.

thanks

 

Manuel.

[John Dowson]

2 hours ago, Manuel Garcia said:

i was trying to delete them in the fsuipc.ini but that did not work.

You can do this but if FSUIPC is running it could re-write the ini with them back in. If  FSUIPC is running, make sure the axis assignment window is open BEFORE you edit the ini. And once you have edited and saved the ini, click the reload button to reload your changes. Also, don't forget to remove the calibration assignments.

John

[Manuel Garcia]

Hello John, yes, I probably had FSUIPC running when I edited as Prepar3d was running, I will try either way to see if the assignments get deleted,

thank you,

Manuel

[Manuel Garcia]

Hi Pete and John, non of the above works to if I want the rudder unassigned in fsuipc, under "joystick calibration" the "SteeringTillerControl" still picks up inputs from the rudder (both rudders FO and CPT), they are by the way connected via USB to my client computer and recognized by Prosim737 via the hardware connector module, so in Fsuipc and prepar3d controls I fail to find where these assignments are coming from, I am attaching a screenshot of the "joystick calibration" page 9 (where the SteeringTillerControl is picked up and also a copy of my fsuipc.ini file.

Obviously my agronn tiller still not recognized anywhere but my rudder pedals despite being connected in my client computer get recognized by fsuipc when Prosim system is running and the hardware connector on my client computer is running (Prosim737 system needs to run for the tiller to technically work as it's connected to Cpflight board)

Anyways I don't understand why the rudder pedals still has an input in fsuipc>Joystick Calibration> SteeringTillerControl when I move them. I don't know if this is the reason why the tiller does not steer the plane.

Any other ideas ?

thank you again

 

<Manuel

[Manuel Garcia]

forgot to attach the files, here is the ini file, the picture exceeds 20kB and I don't think it's necessary to show you the joystick calibration section, you know where is that area, let me know,

Manuel.

FSUIPC6.ini

[John Dowson]

Your ini looks ok - there are no assignments to any axes.
Have you checked your assignments in P3D? Its a good idea to disable controllers in P3D completely as it can re-assign your controllers if you don't do this.

John

[Pete Dowson]

6 hours ago, Manuel Garcia said:

under "joystick calibration" the "SteeringTillerControl" still picks up inputs from the rudder

The calibration facilities operate without needing to assign in FSUIPC. But they aren't calibrated unless you SET them to! If you've pressed 'RESET' as I suggested then they are not calibrated. Of course they are scanned by the calibration facilities, just as they are shown at the top of the assignments tab -- otherwise how would you be able to do either? It doesn't mean FSUIPC is handling them.

Pete

 

[Manuel Garcia]

Hello John, there are no assignments in prepar3d since it runs on the host computer and the rudder pedals (both) are connected to the client and only ran by Prosim737 v3 via the hardware connector, in Prepar3d no Agronn Rudder shows in the axis devices, the only ones shown are the mouse ones and the vjoy connector for the throttle quadrant.

Pete, I pressed reset in the "joystick calibration" for the steeringtillercontrol,  the tiller still does not work, does this mean that fsuipc is definetely not handling any axis as it's not shown on the ini file and it has been reset under the calibration facility correct?

Currently this tiller is connected this way:

- potentiometer connected directly to Cpflight ICS board as per cpflight instructions (tested in the cpflight hardware and works ok there, but not at all in the simulator)

-All axis are assigned in Prosim configuration, none are assigned in Prepar3d v5 or FSUIPC as you saw in my ini file.

-I thought that some interference via FSUIPC could have been the issue with the tiller but it seems that this is not the case, so where would the problem can be?

thanks for helping me, I appreciate your replies.

Manuel.

[Pete Dowson]

44 minutes ago, Manuel Garcia said:

Pete, I pressed reset in the "joystick calibration" for the steeringtillercontrol,  the tiller still does not work, does this mean that fsuipc is definetely not handling any axis as it's not shown on the ini file and it has been reset under the calibration facility correct?

Yes, as John said. The INI file shows no axis handling whatsoever in FSUIPC. You need to assign and calibrate in ProSim.

45 minutes ago, Manuel Garcia said:

I thought that some interference via FSUIPC could have been the issue with the tiller but it seems that this is not the case, so where would the problem can be?

I think you need to go to ProSim support. I use ProSim and have all my control axes assigned and calibrated there, but I have them connected directly to the PC running ProSim. I do not use the 'hardware connector' part of ProSim. Maybe the problem is there.

Anyway, you did say "All axis are assigned in Prosim configuration", so why is there a problem?  Does that statement exclude your rudder and tiller axes?

You really need to post your questions on the ProSim support forum. I expect John will lock this thread soon as it isn't going to get anywhere further.

Pete

 

[Manuel Garcia]

Hi Pete, I posted twice and several times in Prosim but nobody seems to know or try to help there, I came to your forum in search of possible fsuipc interference, but it doesn't seem to be an axis interference or joystick calibration interference.

For clarity, yes, axis assigned in prosim are:   2 rudders (cpt and fo)and 2 yokes (captain and fo).  The tiller is connected (potentiometer wires) directly to the cpflight board ( it is not detected in fsuipc or prepar3d as an axis) as it does not have a game card, it should work throught cpflight, and again it is detected in their test program so the connection is correct, but it's beyond me how to make it work in the sim.

Just so you know I also contacted Paolo at Cpflight and he said that the problem is either in prosim or fsuipc, but he does not seem to know why does not get detected in preprar3d.

Again, I really appreciate you replying to me, seems like in Prosim no replies is a common thing and I don't know truly what to do other than trying to buy a game card for the tiller and disconnect it from cpflight where it suppose to work.

thanks Pete.

Manuel.

 

[Pete Dowson]

31 minutes ago, Manuel Garcia said:

Again, I really appreciate you replying to me, seems like in Prosim no replies is a common thing and I don't know truly what to do other than trying to buy a game card for the tiller and disconnect it from cpflight where it suppose to work.

I think ProSim support properly needs you to post a ticket, though I have read of cases where those take a long time to get a response too.

I suspect the quickest solution will be to go for a game card. My choice would be a Leo Bodnar BU0836A 
http://www.leobodnar.com/shop/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=94&zenid=aa02107b108196223a817b90bf046c36

Reasonable price and works very well -- I use several.

Pete

 

[Manuel Garcia]

hi Pete, I will definetly look into this game card as my tiller has been sitting for two months with no use, thanks for the tip,

appreciated,

Manuel