Driver170 Posted April 30, 2022 Report Posted April 30, 2022 Hi, Is it possible to get version 6.1.7 please just to test something with Prosim737 ok i got 6.1.7 I rolled back from 6.1.8 and now i can change the ZFW. So there is a issue with FSUIPC 6.1.8 https://forum.prosim-ar.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=24659&p=157569#p157569
John Dowson Posted April 30, 2022 Report Posted April 30, 2022 1 hour ago, Driver170 said: ok i got 6.1.7 I rolled back from 6.1.8 and now i can change the ZFW. So there is a issue with FSUIPC 6.1.8 I'm not sure about that - there are very few changes between 6.1.7 and 6.1.8 - only the following: - Bug fixed that prevented assignments to buttons with numbers 64 – 95 from being triggered - New functionality to allow the user to add any simvar to a free FSUIPC offset Looking at that link, this was your issue: Quote In the CDU or IOS weight page setting all pax and cargo to zero the ZFW is stuck on 54832 and does not change what so ever I'm not sure how this can have anything to do with FSUIPC... Can you try 6.1.8 again to confirm please. As I don't have/use Prosim, I'm not sure what I can do. I'll see if @Pete Dowson can check this as he uses the ProSim 737 (probably later next week, after the Bank Holiday). John
Driver170 Posted April 30, 2022 Author Report Posted April 30, 2022 Hi John, Very strange one. Soon as i rolled back to 6.1.7 the load was then able to change the ZFW. Hopefully pete can work something out.
John Dowson Posted April 30, 2022 Report Posted April 30, 2022 1 minute ago, Driver170 said: Very strange one. Soon as i rolled back to 6.1.7 the load was then able to change the ZFW. Yes, this is what you reported. I was just suggesting to try 6.1.8 again to confirm. The problem only seems to occur in the latest ProSim beta as well, which also indicates its not an FSUIPC issue. Anyway, talked to Pete about this - he is aware of this issue and will check later next week.
Driver170 Posted April 30, 2022 Author Report Posted April 30, 2022 2 hours ago, John Dowson said: Yes, this is what you reported. I was just suggesting to try 6.1.8 again to confirm. The problem only seems to occur in the latest ProSim beta as well, which also indicates its not an FSUIPC issue. Anyway, talked to Pete about this - he is aware of this issue and will check later next week. I rolled back previous BETA’s and still had the issue with 6.1.8 Thanks
Pete Dowson Posted May 2, 2022 Report Posted May 2, 2022 On 4/30/2022 at 10:15 PM, Driver170 said: I rolled back previous BETA’s and still had the issue with 6.1.8 Humberto kindly explained to me how ProSim computes the ZFW from FSUIPC offsets. He said: Prosim is calculating ZFW. It is getting gross weight from offset 30c0 and subtracting fuel from offsets 0b80(capacity) 0b7c(level) : example for 1 tank only, corresponding offset used for the other 2 tanks So, I made a Lua plug-in to compute it the same way, whilst changing the payload a number of times. This showed absolutely no difference between FSUIPC 6.1.7 and 6.1.8 for the offsets Prosim is using. For your information I attach the Lua plug-in. It logs the results in FSUIPC6's log. Here's the results for my office version of P3D5.3. Each loop is increasing the weight in the 9 payload stations by 100 lbs, so increasing the payload total by 900 lbs on each loop -- in the log the loop ends are denoted by the line with ******... For each loop the ZFW is being calculated in the exact same way as Humberto states for ProSim. This is shown in the lines like 796781 17024 LUA.3: Computed ZFW = 105715.36461655 I've also checked the values against those shown in the P3D Vehicle - Fuel and Payload display. 794500 17024 LUA.3: Gross before changes = 150867.65625 794500 17024 LUA.3: Number of payload stations = 9 796765 17024 LUA.3: Total payload = 14400 796765 17024 LUA.3: Gross now = 151767.65625 796765 17024 LUA.3: FuelC = 28798.32779259 FuelL = 8626.9819204323 FuelR = 8626.9819204323 796765 17024 LUA.3: Total fuel weight = 46052.291633454 796765 17024 LUA.3: Ditto from offset 126C = 46057 796781 17024 LUA.3: Computed ZFW = 105715.36461655 796781 17024 LUA.3: =============================================== 800796 17024 LUA.3: Gross before changes = 151767.65625 800796 17024 LUA.3: Number of payload stations = 9 801312 15996 Deactivated for PID=9580, "explorer.exe" 801312 15996 Lost focus to PID=9580, "explorer.exe" 803046 17024 LUA.3: Total payload = 15300 803046 17024 LUA.3: Gross now = 152667.65625 803046 17024 LUA.3: FuelC = 28798.32779259 FuelL = 8626.9819204323 FuelR = 8626.9819204323 803046 17024 LUA.3: Total fuel weight = 46052.291633454 803046 17024 LUA.3: Ditto from offset 126C = 46057 803046 17024 LUA.3: Computed ZFW = 106615.36461655 803046 17024 LUA.3: =============================================== 807062 17024 LUA.3: Gross before changes = 152667.65625 807062 17024 LUA.3: Number of payload stations = 9 809296 17024 LUA.3: Total payload = 16200 809296 17024 LUA.3: Gross now = 153567.65625 809296 17024 LUA.3: FuelC = 28798.32779259 FuelL = 8626.9819204323 FuelR = 8626.9819204323 809296 17024 LUA.3: Total fuel weight = 46052.291633454 809296 17024 LUA.3: Ditto from offset 126C = 46057 809296 17024 LUA.3: Computed ZFW = 107515.36461655 809296 17024 LUA.3: =============================================== 813312 17024 LUA.3: Gross before changes = 153567.65625 813312 17024 LUA.3: Number of payload stations = 9 815562 17024 LUA.3: Total payload = 17100 815562 17024 LUA.3: Gross now = 154467.65625 815562 17024 LUA.3: FuelC = 28798.32779259 FuelL = 8626.9819204323 FuelR = 8626.9819204323 815562 17024 LUA.3: Total fuel weight = 46052.291633454 815562 17024 LUA.3: Ditto from offset 126C = 46057 815562 17024 LUA.3: Computed ZFW = 108415.36461655 815562 17024 LUA.3: =============================================== 819578 17024 LUA.3: Gross before changes = 154467.65625 819578 17024 LUA.3: Number of payload stations = 9 821843 17024 LUA.3: Total payload = 18000 821843 17024 LUA.3: Gross now = 155367.65625 821843 17024 LUA.3: FuelC = 28798.32779259 FuelL = 8626.9819204323 FuelR = 8626.9819204323 821843 17024 LUA.3: Total fuel weight = 46052.291633454 821843 17024 LUA.3: Ditto from offset 126C = 46057 821843 17024 LUA.3: Computed ZFW = 109315.36461655 821843 17024 LUA.3: =============================================== 825859 17024 LUA.3: Gross before changes = 155367.65625 825859 17024 LUA.3: Number of payload stations = 9 828125 17024 LUA.3: Total payload = 18900 828125 17024 LUA.3: Gross now = 156267.65625 828125 17024 LUA.3: FuelC = 28798.32779259 FuelL = 8626.9819204323 FuelR = 8626.9819204323 828125 17024 LUA.3: Total fuel weight = 46052.291633454 828125 17024 LUA.3: Ditto from offset 126C = 46057 828125 17024 LUA.3: Computed ZFW = 110215.36461655 828125 17024 LUA.3: =============================================== 832140 17024 LUA.3: Gross before changes = 156267.65625 832140 17024 LUA.3: Number of payload stations = 9 834375 17024 LUA.3: Total payload = 19800 834375 17024 LUA.3: Gross now = 157167.65625 834375 17024 LUA.3: FuelC = 28798.32779259 FuelL = 8626.9819204323 FuelR = 8626.9819204323 834375 17024 LUA.3: Total fuel weight = 46052.291633454 834375 17024 LUA.3: Ditto from offset 126C = 46057 834375 17024 LUA.3: Computed ZFW = 111115.36461655 834375 17024 LUA.3: =============================================== 838390 17024 LUA.3: Gross before changes = 157167.65625 838390 17024 LUA.3: Number of payload stations = 9 840640 17024 LUA.3: Total payload = 20700 840640 17024 LUA.3: Gross now = 158067.65625 840640 17024 LUA.3: FuelC = 28798.32779259 FuelL = 8626.9819204323 FuelR = 8626.9819204323 840640 17024 LUA.3: Total fuel weight = 46052.291633454 840640 17024 LUA.3: Ditto from offset 126C = 46057 840640 17024 LUA.3: Computed ZFW = 112015.36461655 840640 17024 LUA.3: =============================================== 844656 17024 LUA.3: Gross before changes = 158067.65625 844656 17024 LUA.3: Number of payload stations = 9 846921 17024 LUA.3: Total payload = 21600 846921 17024 LUA.3: Gross now = 158967.65625 846921 17024 LUA.3: FuelC = 28798.32779259 FuelL = 8626.9819204323 FuelR = 8626.9819204323 846921 17024 LUA.3: Total fuel weight = 46052.291633454 846921 17024 LUA.3: Ditto from offset 126C = 46057 846921 17024 LUA.3: Computed ZFW = 112915.36461655 846921 17024 LUA.3: =============================================== 850937 17024 LUA.3: Gross before changes = 158967.65625 850937 17024 LUA.3: Number of payload stations = 9 853203 17024 LUA.3: Total payload = 22500 853203 17024 LUA.3: Gross now = 159867.65625 853203 17024 LUA.3: FuelC = 28798.32779259 FuelL = 8626.9819204323 FuelR = 8626.9819204323 853203 17024 LUA.3: Total fuel weight = 46052.291633454 853203 17024 LUA.3: Ditto from offset 126C = 46057 853203 17024 LUA.3: Computed ZFW = 113815.36461655 853203 17024 LUA.3: =============================================== As John says, there's really no change between 6.1.7 and 6.1.8 which could result in what you are observing and they certainly both behave the same with this test. I should be able to get my cockpit up and running tomorrow, and then I will double-check when actually using Prosim. I'll update first to 3.17B20 (or later if another is released). Pete TestZFW.lua
Pete Dowson Posted May 3, 2022 Report Posted May 3, 2022 Okay, I've tested this on my cockpit, with ProSim 3.18B1. The ZFW (and other weight components) change correctly when altering the pax and cargo loading in the P3D Fuel & Payload menu, and also when using FSUIPC to write to the payload station offsets. But nothing changes except the total pax or cargo values in ProsinIOS and the CDU when changing loadings via the IOS or CDU. Nothing is written to the payload offsets. I don't see how this can be down to FSUIPC, but I don't understand what ProSim is using to change the loadings in P3D. So I'm going to ask Humberto for more information. Pete
John Dowson Posted May 5, 2022 Report Posted May 5, 2022 (edited) This issue is caused by bulk writing to an offset area when some of the offsets are not in the offset table. ProSim is bulk writing the payload data including the position data, which don't exist in the (internal) offset table for P3D. This error was introduced in 6.1.8. This should be fixed in the attached version, v6.1.9a, if you would like to try: FSUIPC6.dll John Edited May 11, 2022 by John Dowson corrected
Driver170 Posted May 12, 2022 Author Report Posted May 12, 2022 Thanks guys! I will test this tomorrow.
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