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Try adding the game to the AVAST safe list and re-test :)
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Hi
I've created a custom schedule and from testing it I am getting a lot of "=> ***** close cross incoming range" errors in regards to arrival aircraft.
I did some initial research and found this topic but there is no set solution. I know this issue is to do with arrivals only. And that it is related to crossing runways - I personally am unsure how the sim calculates how an arrival is granted permission to spawn.
I have uploaded the log file and uploaded a spreadsheet to help better understand what could be the issue here.
Situation:
Airport: KLAS
Runway Setup:
- 26L active (all arrivals)
- 26R departures (commercial mainly - 1z Janet and 1z GA departure)
- 19L departures (GA only)
- 19R arrivals for GA that are transferred from 26LNOTE: I cannot make 19L an active as I require commercial aircraft only on 26L, which we cannot implement currently in schedules. If we activate 19L as well, then commercial aircraft will spawn on this runway which is something I want to avoid completely.
All arrival aircraft spawn on time, up until SWA6885. This arrival is NOT the first one with the error messages "=> ***** close cross incoming range" but it is the first one that is considerably late. Onwards from here, 72% of arrivals from this point are delayed considerably.
DAL2832 is the first aircraft to get the error message, followed by (in the order shown):
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DAL2832 - scheduled at 12:27 to land around 12:34 (spreadsheet contains this data)
- between DAL2832 and SWA6885, there are x4 arrivals that spawn with no such error message - SWA6885
- SWA6448
- WWI93 (GA)
- ASA1410
- SWA3552
- SWA541
- AAL2456
- N18ZD (GA)
- DAL1097
- SWA378
- UAL462
- RSP137 (GA)
What is happening (time stamp wise):
@ 12:27, DAL2832 [arr] spawns on app to 26L > Lands @ 12:34:58 (on time)
--- Between 12:28 and 12:37 all arrivals spawn on time & all departures spawn on time (i.e. pushback)
@ 12:33:01, N93124 (GA) lines up on 19L & immediately starts her takeoff roll
@ 12:34:07 JSX108 (GA) lines up on 19L & immediately starts her takeoff roll
@ 12:34:55 JSX108 (GA) has taken off successfully
@ 12:35:25 PWA454 (GA) spawns on app to 26L > Lands @ 12:46:55 (on time)
@ 12:35:59 PWA454 (GA) begins her turn onto final approach for 19R
@ 12:37:00 SWA5742 (arrival prior to SWA6885) spawns on time on to 26L > Lands @ 12:43:58 (on time)
@ 12:38:00 SWA6885 attempts to spawn for the first time (denied with error "***** close cross incoming range")
--- There are x4 attempts between now and 12:38:36 with the same error for SWA6885@ 12:38:36 SWA6885 attempts again to spawn onto 26L - Even though there is more than 5nm seperation now to SWA5742 - There is also no GA landing on 19R or departing 19L - However PWA454 is on app to 19R - not sure how far out (I will assume 46 mins - 38 mins = 8 mins - So probably about to turn onto finals [basing upon the 7 min approach])
--- @ 12:41:19, I believe PWA454 turns onto finals for 19R as log state changes from "FINALRUNWAY" to "STATE_INCOMING"@ 12:38:51 LXJ528 (GA) lines up on 19R & immediately starts her takeoff roll
--- SWA6885 is continuing to try to spawn
@ 12:39:55 LXJ528 (GA) has taken off successfully
@ 12:40:00 Now SWA6448 tries to spawn on time without success and the same error message
-- PWA454 on 19R app. is now (00:46:55 - 00:40:00 = 7 mins odd) therefore about 13-15nm out from 19R
-- SWA5742 on 26L app. is now (12:43:58 - 00:40:00 = 4 mins odd) therefore about 6/7nm out from 26L
And so forth ...Why aren't these arrivals spawning when there is plenty of separation?
It cannot be due to crossing runways because 26L and 19R or 19L do NOT cross according to the ADIRS radar.
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DAL2832 - scheduled at 12:27 to land around 12:34 (spreadsheet contains this data)
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18 minutes ago, wombat169 said:
Thanks for both lots of info, noted.
No problem :)
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EGKK doesn't use 26R as a main runway in reality. The only time they do is on a night shift when there are no heavy aircraft due in or out for maintenance on the main runway, 26L / 8R.
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KLAS would have been my vote but I'd love to see an update for KBOS with regards to RC.
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Added @battlehawk77's EGKK weeks worth schedule :)
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Well done on completing this.
Even though I don't own Gatwick; I am absolutely sure it will be the same high quality as your other schedules.
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Looking forward to a few surprises by the sound of it.
Shame the main product and dlc don't have the same level of support.
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Okay, once the pro challenge is completed (on short finals now), I'll do it :D ... If I get to 3 hours though and I don't beat it - I'm quitting game otherwise I'll lose what sanity I have left.
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Not sure if it useful but these are the layouts for the "icao_schedule.txt" and "icao_gaandlocaltraffic.txt":
QuoteSchedule:
airport departure iata code,airport arrival iata code,aircraft type,airline iata code,flight no,arrival time,departure time,duration,codeshare
Duration usually is set as 1 and codeshare needs? to be the same as the airline iata code.
QuoteGA:
origin airport icao code, destination airport icao code, time, aircraft type, linecode, stop n go, touch n go, low approach, callsign, spoken callsign
Never understood why the layout was chosen this way personally. A lot of inconsistency and illogical coding in place.
i.e. The use of iata and icao codes - why not just stick with one across the board ... and ... arranging the arrival and departure times the opposite of the airport codes.
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Like I said in the latter part of the sentence, or to be completely gotten rid of :)
I too, think they should as discussed on the wishlist channel in Tower_MP Discord server :)
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That's a shame.
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Well done on resolving this.
Make sure to keep RT updated when ever there is a new release.
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Either way, the update will be more than welcomed 🙂
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I thought they added the A320neo?
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The neo is available in EGKK.
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Afraid not. It would be useful though as the traffic pattern is utterly useless.
Arrival aircraft who have been given a traffic pattern instruction or change runway command do not intercept runway ILS as they should.
It really needs serious improvement in the next version or completely gotten rid of.
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Not had this issue myself either.
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Well. I reckon I could beat it playing SFO.
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On 2/28/2019 at 8:32 PM, Avwriter said:
Does not make much difference in the game, but in real life SAN is much more constrained by terrain and surrounding buildings. I presume, but have not checked that GKKs main runway is longer than SAN as well.
Andrew
It will be longer.
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18 hours ago, Ripskin said:
Not at all, forgot that in the main post.
Will do so when I find time. Probably tomorrow if not the day after 🙂
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@Speedy80, highly recommend trying out @battlehawk77's LEBL - it's really good!
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Just now, hexzed said:
I have the JFK update from @nyergesdesignto test.
I'm assuming it will be released soon.
Short final huh ... Nice!
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Hmm, will take some time out next week to look at this and come up with some ideas.