blacklabelbraai Posted May 19, 2019 Report Share Posted May 19, 2019 Hi all I originally posted this in the Airport Strategies pinned topic, but I think that was the incorrect place to post. So here is the post again: KLAX SUPPLEMENTAL INFO I found this website https://laartcc.org/airport/KLAX which has some interesting info, which I can't corroborate with any FAA info: From the website: Quote Normal Operations use runways 24R/25L for arrivals and 24L/25R for departures. ...which corroborates what we have all been using. However this snippet is interesting: Quote Noise Abatement Operations between midnight and 6:30 AM local time, use runway 6R for arrivals and runway 25R for departures That would make life extremely interesting! The website also has the airport diagram, and SID (Standard Instrument Departure) charts. BLB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabelbraai Posted May 19, 2019 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2019 Hey everyone So I'm a bit of a nerd. I thought I would collate and present info that accurately represents which departure routes (SID's) aircraft should take, starting with KLAX. I'll roll this out to KPHL and TIST and the rest (once I get the Significant Other to agree that they are indeed critical to my existence on this planet) I'd like some advice though, before I start: From the KLAX RT schedule klax_schedule.txt file the 1st line is this: OGG, LAX, 752, DL, 2222, 07:04, 12:00, 1, DL I assume the following (please correct my assumptions!): Field 1: Departure airport Field 2: Arrival Airport Field 3: Aircraft type Field 4: Airline Field 5: Aircraft Reg number Field 6: Dep. time from originating airport Field 7: Arrival time at destination airport Field 8: ??? Field 9: repeat of Field 4 Thanks! BLB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hexzed Posted May 19, 2019 Report Share Posted May 19, 2019 There is a few posts on this already but some corrections 5 = Flight number 6 = arrival time (in this instance) as below, it will be departing time. 7= for arriving planes = departure time, the game doesn't care when the flight left so it can be anything. I use 00:00 as it's easier to type into excel 🙂 and departing planes = arrival time, again the game doesn't care when the flight arrives 8=placeholder Just remember for arriving aircraft it is OGG, LAX, 752, DL, 2222, 07:04, 12:00, 1, DL For departing aircraft it is LAX, OGG, 752, DL, 2222, 12:00, 07:04, 1, DL i.e departing airport first, and the '12:00' aligns with the 'home' airport  Regards Ben  1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabelbraai Posted May 20, 2019 Author Report Share Posted May 20, 2019 Thanks for that info! I found a post by @ Braf123456 in November 2018 and I'm kinda expanding on that. I had to simplify some departures because there were departures during the day (excluding 00:00 - 06:30) that used different SID's and I couldn't work out the pattern. I thus chose the most common SID for that destination airport. Also, I have based this all on the RT default schedule for LAX. I have also assumed we hand off to departure at or below 3000 ft. All departures are deemed to be departing WEST. I'm about 15% done with the spreadsheet so far and will post version 0.1 for criticism soon. Here is an excerpt - temporarily sorted by destination airport to make it easier (final submission of v0.1 will be sorted by time): Peter (BLB) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crbascott Posted May 21, 2019 Report Share Posted May 21, 2019 Not sure exactly what you are trying to do. You may want to post a link to the exact post you are referring to.  5 hours ago, blacklabelbraai said: I have also assumed we hand off to departure at or below 3000 ft. You should should listen to LiveATC and/or watch the LAX webcam. Tower is pretty much having the pilot contact SoCal Departure by the end of the runway. Probably closer to 500-1000ft. Also, not to nitpick but a 251° departure to 3000ft has simplified the actual departure procedure. There is a slight turn required at 640ft. In reality, I believe DOCKR is closer to a direct 249° heading from the end of 25R. Again, not sure exactly what you are trying to do as this game doesn't necessarily fly a SID after the departure handoff.  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hexzed Posted May 21, 2019 Report Share Posted May 21, 2019 @crbascott This one  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATC AlaskaGuy Posted May 21, 2019 Report Share Posted May 21, 2019 well what I always do when I am using my headset and voice recognition I say and this is just a example United 237 climb to 2000 on reaching contact departure cleared for takeoff  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabelbraai Posted May 21, 2019 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2019 18 hours ago, crbascott said: Not sure exactly what you are trying to do. You may want to post a link to the exact post you are referring to.  You should should listen to LiveATC and/or watch the LAX webcam. Tower is pretty much having the pilot contact SoCal Departure by the end of the runway. Probably closer to 500-1000ft. Also, not to nitpick but a 251° departure to 3000ft has simplified the actual departure procedure. There is a slight turn required at 640ft. In reality, I believe DOCKR is closer to a direct 249° heading from the end of 25R. Again, not sure exactly what you are trying to do as this game doesn't necessarily fly a SID after the departure handoff.  @crbascott you are 100% correct. as usual. I have decided to forgo the SID's and instead simply focus on what runways should be used for departures, based on the default RT schedule for LAX. Thank you for your input. This will increase the workload however that may be a good thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabelbraai Posted May 25, 2019 Author Report Share Posted May 25, 2019 Hi everyone I finished my spreadsheet on what I think should be the correct runways for departures at KLAX, based on a westerly departure, ie 24L and 25R Here's the dropbox link: KLAX DEP Runways V0.1 The spreadsheet has been sorted by departure time from KLAX. Regards, BLB - Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabelbraai Posted May 25, 2019 Author Report Share Posted May 25, 2019 ok dropbox insists on displaying the incorrect info - please ignore this post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabelbraai Posted May 25, 2019 Author Report Share Posted May 25, 2019 Correct departure runways. Hope this interests someone. Personally I really enjoy the time from midnight to 06:30 BLB - Peter KLAX.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hexzed Posted May 25, 2019 Report Share Posted May 25, 2019 Thanks for this, i never really had the patience to try and work this out myself 🙂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabelbraai Posted May 25, 2019 Author Report Share Posted May 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, hexzed said: Thanks for this, i never really had the patience to try and work this out myself 🙂 heh - patience is about the only virtue I have. It does tend to make taxi instructions a bit more challenging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hexzed Posted May 25, 2019 Report Share Posted May 25, 2019 I'm still going to have to do a bit of work to match it with my own schedules, but there you go 😆 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabelbraai Posted May 27, 2019 Author Report Share Posted May 27, 2019 (edited) On 5/25/2019 at 2:11 PM, hexzed said: I'm still going to have to do a bit of work to match it with my own schedules, but there you go 😆 Let me see if I can do a diff using pivot tables - give me a few hours 😊 EDIT: I just realized you don't have a schedule for KPHL - SMH Edited May 27, 2019 by blacklabelbraai Brain Fade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabelbraai Posted May 27, 2019 Author Report Share Posted May 27, 2019 I'm gonna use your LAX schedule - it's been a long day. Give me a few hours to set it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hexzed Posted May 28, 2019 Report Share Posted May 28, 2019 I don't have published schedules for Philadephia or Los Angeles. Do you mean Craig (CRBascott)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabelbraai Posted May 28, 2019 Author Report Share Posted May 28, 2019 3 hours ago, hexzed said: I don't have published schedules for Philadephia or Los Angeles. Do you mean Craig (CRBascott)? I honestly did think you had schedules for both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hexzed Posted May 28, 2019 Report Share Posted May 28, 2019 American wise, I have La Guardia and Memphis 🙂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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