FSUIPC7 and EHID drivers Devices ?

[asessa]

Hi, i have an home cockpit, and i have 2 device from Cockpitsonic using EHID drivers.

Is there a way to connect it to sim via fsuipc7 ?

[John Dowson]

Sorry, I don't know Cockpitsonic or EHID drivers (Pete may know more!), but if they register as standard windows hid devices then FSUIPC should recognise them. Have you tried?

[asessa]

1 minute ago, John Dowson said:

Sorry, I don't know Cockpitsonic or EHID drivers (Pete may know more!), but if they register as standard windows hid devices then FSUIPC should recognise them. Have you tried?

Hi John, i didn't tried because i don't well know fsuipc7 interface. so I'll try.

In any case , i use this drivers for win10 

https://www.uweschneider.de/en/EHID_endusers.php

Best Regards

[John Dowson]

1 hour ago, asessa said:

i don't well know fsuipc7 interface. so I'll try.

There is currently no documentation for FSUIPC7, but you can download the FSUIPC6 documentation. The UI has been re-organised (as its now an exe not a dll), but the main panels are pretty much the same. You can get the documentation here: FSUIPC6_Documentation

Let me know how it goes.

John

P.S. I see you have also posted over in the MSFS forums - but no response so far...

[Pete Dowson]

1 hour ago, John Dowson said:

I don't know Cockpitsonic or EHID drivers (Pete may know more!)

My forward overhead is mostly Cockpitsonic. I think it came with an EHID driver, but I wrote my own instead -- specifically aimed originally at Project Magenta but then revised to work with ProSim737. The interface it uses is 100% via private offsets declared to ProSim. There's no direct link to the simulator itself.

I've forgotten most of the details of the interface CockpitSonic provides. The overhead is a collection of over 8 different HID devices, but not type 'Joystick'.  The protocol and encoding used withing the HID packets are specific to that hardware, much as GoFlight and Saitek panels use their own HID protocols.

I don't really remember any detailed information about the EHID driver, though I have the specfications here somewhere.  I never had any EHID-driven hardware actually working directly with the Flight Sim, only via systems programs such as Project Magenta and ProSim. PM already works with MSFS, ProSim will no doubt follow at some time in the future.

So the question really comes back to:

1 hour ago, asessa said:

i have an home cockpit, and i have 2 device from Cockpitsonic using EHID drivers.

How are these two devices seen / registered in your sim and FSUIPC at present? Which sim / FSUIPC version are you using?

Pete

 

[asessa]

Hi Pete, i use my HC with p3d5 and JeeHell and all work fine.

Now i installed FS2020 by xbox game pass and i would like to use my device (untill JH will release it's version for fs2020) with default A320Neo.

I have downloaded fsuipc7 beta, i run it and i can work with my VA's acars well.

FS2020 doesn't see any my home cockpit devices (FCU and ECAM from Cockpitsoni, MCDU by Skalarki, Radio by FSCockpit).

FS2020 see Leo Bodnare boards , Saitek Throttle, Joy, Rudder Pedals, so i can fly with almost all my hc setup (except video for now) 

[asessa]

Hi, i tried to set some switches from ehid devices, but fsuipc interface didn't "hear" any button or switch.

I think maybe because the device are powered off by default ... can be?

In anycase , i see all device in win10 devices

 

 

[asessa]

1 hour ago, asessa said:

I think maybe because the device are powered off by default ... can be?

 

 

 

 

Negative, fsuipc doesn't "hear" also with power on

[Pete Dowson]

17 hours ago, asessa said:

i use my HC with p3d5 and JeeHell and all work fine.

What is "JeeHell"? Is that software which handles EHID? If so, are you running it okay with MSFS? I thought 2Mobiflight" was the software for EHID and cockpitsonic devices?

You need some sort of EHID driver. FSUIPC doesn't support EHID itself.

Pete

 

[asessa]

JeeHell is a free A320 Home Cockpit Suite (lilke prosim) and support every devices

EHID drivers run a win10 application managing devices (EHID Service Version).

FS2020 doesn't recognize my EHID devices (EFIS 1 and 2, FCU and ECAM) so i can't use them.

I don't use MobiFlight

[John Dowson]

13 hours ago, asessa said:

In anycase , i see all device in win10 devices

But does windows see them as 'game controllers'? If not, FSUIPC will not see them.

[asessa]

1 minute ago, John Dowson said:

But does windows see them as 'game controllers'? If not, FSUIPC will not see them.

I think no

[Thomas Richter]

Hi,

no FS did ever 'see' any EHID device as those are standard HID devices but NOT Joystick controller. JeeHell and i.e. ProSim have built -in EHID interface to comunicate via the EHID driver, a network type protocol designed by Uwe Schneider for his hardware for Cockpitsonic.

Because it is a network type protocol driver it cannot be seen by any FS or FSUIPC.That it worked for you before with a different FS/ P3D is only because you used software that has a built-in interface to EHID driver.

Thomas

[Delphi]

Why you don't conact Cockpitsonic? As I know they developed together with a other company EHID. They might have answers regarding current or future MSFS compatibiliy.

[asessa]

Just now, Thomas Richter said:

Hi,

no FS did ever 'see' any EHID device as those are standard HID devices but NOT Joystick controller. JeeHell and i.e. ProSim have built -in EHID interface to comunicate via the EHID driver, a network type protocol designed by Uwe Schneider for his hardware for Cockpitsonic.

Because it is a network type protocol driver it cannot be seen by any FS or FSUIPC.That it worked for you before with a different FS/ P3D is only because you used software that has a built-in interface of EHID driver.

Thomas

Thank you for explanation.

So i need to wait for new JeeHell 

 

[Thomas Richter]

Yes, protocol of EHID will not change for any FS but the software that uses it needs to be updated for MSFS 2020, most likely because they use FSUIPC and might not interprete the new version.

Thomas

[asessa]

1 minute ago, Delphi said:

Why you don't conact Cockpitsonic? As I know they developed together with a other company EHID. They might have answers regarding current or future MSFS compatibiliy.

Uhm Cockpitsonic hasn't replied to emails for a long time 😞
But I'll try

[DSurfer]

Hello, 

 

I am having a similar problem with cockpitsonic TQ and EHID. 

I need to reinstall everything and now EHID don't find any device in the system. I didnt know exactly why now it doesnt work but it used to in the past. probably I am missing some cockpitsonic/EHID configuration. 

 

I am using Prosim737 and prepar3D v5. 

 

any sugestions?

 

Kind regards,

Diogo Santos

[John Dowson]

I am sorry but re-reading through the above it is clear that FSUIPC7 doesn't support your devices so they must be handled by ProSim or Cocklpitsonic software, so you probably need their support.

Or maybe some other of these device owners can help....

John

[Gilles737]

This thread was rather old, just jumped today after searching around EHID protocol on the web.

Just for the comprehension, EHID wasn't meant to be USB HID, it has nothing to do with Human Interface Device, but rather Enhanced Hardware Interface Driver

The Enhanced Hardware Interface Driver (EHID) is a software which provides an interface between flight simulator hardware and flight simulator software.

https://www.uweschneider.de/en/EHID.php

Here's the input for developers :

https://www.uweschneider.de/en/EHID_developers.php

[John Dowson]

Thanks for the additional info and links.

John

[GeorgeBarlow]

@Pete Dowson Do you have any technical reference sheets regarding any of the CockpitSonic pieces of hardware, I'm planning on trying to reverse engineer a throttle quadrant but it seems that CockpitSonic no longer provides support for the device (or at least not from the first glance of their website). If not can you give me a rough idea of any struggles you had interfacing with the overhead that may be relevant to my situation? 

Thanks!

[John Dowson]

Pete is on holiday at the moment. I will ask him to take a look when he returns next week, but I doubt he will still have any technical information for this.
I have no knowledge of CockpitSonic hardware and so cannot help, sorry.

John

[Stephen Munro]

@GeorgeBarlow Hey George I have also acquired a Cockpit Sonic TQ which is recognised using EHID and the calibration tool. Trying to get this to work on Xplane12 with Zibo.
Have you made any progress yet?
Cockpit Sonic, rather disappointingly, are not replying to my Email requests which is a shame having paid them for a new main board.

Edited April 20, 2024 by Stephen Munro

[John Dowson]

@GeorgeBarlow Sorry for the delay. I did ask Pete about this when he got back from his holidays, and he says he has no technical references of any Cockpit Sonic hardware. Many years ago he developed a driver for a 737 forward overhead from CockpitSonic for ProSim, but has no experience with any other hardware from CockpitSonic, and that was a long time ago.

Sorry I (or Pete) can't be of more help.

John