To silence a warning sound

[johnliem]

Just wondering if anyone can give me a hint, what is the name of the command in FSUIPC to silence a warnng sound or (master caution switch)

not the ordinary sound as (Q) but the warning sound, because I have been searching at the FSUIPC it self , I could not find it ( I am registered user of the FSUIPC)

 

thanks..

 

 

John

[Pete Dowson]

Just wondering if anyone can give me a hint, what is the name of the command in FSUIPC to silence a warnng sound or (master caution switch)

not the ordinary sound as (Q) but the warning sound, because I have been searching at the FSUIPC it self , I could not find it ( I am registered user of the FSUIPC)

 

Master Caution doesn't make a sound itself. Do you mean a fire bell, or what? You need to identify the aircraft type and the cause of the sound you are talking about.

 

I suspect the answer is to do with your specific aircraft.

 

Pete

[johnliem]

Hi Pete

 

master caution for PMDG 737 or 777 it happend when overspeed on the air or wrong flaps config the master caution will ringing before take off,

when it happend or ringing I just click on the spot of master caution with the mouse and it will silence,  so I thought it will be nice when I assign a key of my joystick (thustmaster Hotas Warthog) via  fsuipc.

 

 

John

[Pete Dowson]

master caution for PMDG 737 or 777 it happend when overspeed on the air or wrong flaps config the master caution will ringing before take off,

when it happend or ringing I just click on the spot of master caution with the mouse and it will silence,  so I thought it will be nice when I assign a key of my joystick (thustmaster Hotas Warthog) via  fsuipc.

 

That'll be a function of the PMDG model. You'll have to see if PMDG have supplied anything for it. The 737NG might have it listed in their assignable custom controls (listed at the end of the .h header file in the NGX SDK). I have no idea for the 777.

 

In the real aircraft these are nothing to do with Master Caution at all. And there is no way to cut out either without correcting the situation.

 

Pete

[johnliem]

Ok thanks for the explanation , and about there is no way to cut out either without correcting the situation, 

it is not to cut out , just to silince the sound as I press on that spot I mention before, and of course I am aware that I have to correct the situation, but strange enough I can silence it by clicking on the spot.

 

but thanks anyway, I will see if I can find at PMDG.

[Ian P]

Excuse me for butting slightly here, but I thought that you could silence the alarm by pressing the appropriate alarm button to acknowledge it, but the light would remain lit (and appropriate EICAS/carrot salad indications present) until the fault state is cleared?

 

I only have a couple of hours in a realistic B73NG cockpit simulator (far too many in the PMDG jets, which very rarely break on me...), but my recollection of what to do in an alarm situation was to verify that both crew understand what the message is (Master caution, flap setting" or "Master Warning, engine vibration" for example, with a reply hopefully the same from the other seat!), then silence the alarm, then the Captain makes the decision of who deals with the fault and who flies the aircraft.

 

If so, then there must be a variable for the MW/MC light clickspots, but I'd presume they'd be Local to the PMDG models and documentation, rather than being MSFS commands. I don't think you can do a thing with alarms in MS default aircraft, other than apply earplugs and resolve the situation!

 

Cheers,

 

Ian P.

[Pete Dowson]

Excuse me for butting slightly here, but I thought that you could silence the alarm by pressing the appropriate alarm button to acknowledge it, but the light would remain lit (and appropriate EICAS/carrot salad indications present) until the fault state is cleared?

 

There are alarm cutouts for the fire bell (press the FIRE button), and for GEAR horn (button below the flap selector section of the quadrant) and altitude alert (when the cabin altitude gets over 10,000 feet, a button on the overhead near the pressurisation gauges). But on a 737 there's no way to cut out overspeed warnings nor take-off configuration errors.

 

And there are no alarm sounds associated with nor silenced by Master Caution. All the Master Caution button press does is extinguish the warnings currently shown on the 6-pack annunciators. It doesn't clear them, and if uncleared they'll reappear if recalled (again using Master Caution). Meanwhile the definitive reason for the annunciated warning will appear on the overhead. Overspeed is not one of them, nor is take-off configuration error.

 

Pete

[Ian P]

That certainly wasn't how the 73NG sim I flew operated, which was a fixed-base, but training approved, one.

 

Wonder if it's another one of the many "airline options"?

 

Ian P.

[Pete Dowson]

That certainly wasn't how the 73NG sim I flew operated, which was a fixed-base, but training approved, one.

Wonder if it's another one of the many "airline options"?

 

I think the sim must have been wrong, or you are mis-remembering. Check any 737NG reference. I've been involved in 737NG cockpit simulation for over 10 years and have been in approved training ones.  I strive for utmost realism in my own 737NG cockpit and have done the research and had expert advisors in doing so. What i said in my last message holds.

 

Regards

Pete

[NicHer]

Hello,

Symptom: Fire bell not silencing when pressing the fire warn cut out switch next to the six pack.

Setup: Project magenta based full scale 737. Running 5 wideclient computers. Using TSR system 737 SW to run the to fire panel illuminations once the start fire option is running in project magenta instructor station. The six pack is CPFLight connected to Project Magenta autopilot SW. 

I will try the following:

Update MCP SW

Update CP Flight FW for MCP

Change six pack settings in TSR system to detect the button push.

In your experience is there anything else i could be looking to try regarding FSUIPC?

Thank you

 

 

[John Dowson]

Does it work when you activate the fire warn cut out switch in the UI?

17 hours ago, NicHer said:

anything else i could be looking to try regarding FSUIPC

You are probably better off contacting the Project Magenta support., but you could try logging non-axis events, to check that the event/control sent when activating your switch is the same as the one sent when you activate in the UI (if that one works!).

John

[NicHer]

Hi John

Thanks for your reply.

I can only silence the alarm by clearing the failure in the project magenta instructor station. No amount of button pushing works....

Thanks

[Thomas Richter]

Hi,

by looking into Project Magenta stuff, what You use, you will find when searching 5653 .7 bellcutout  . That Offset is related to fire system.How to link that to CPFlight you might find in their manuals.

Thomas

[NicHer]

Hi Thomas 

Thank you very much.

Please clarify, do you mean CPFlight manuals or Project Magenta manuals? 

Without knowing the answer to the above it is difficult, but i expect it may be FSUIPC based? 

For example i go to FSUIPC GUI press the fire cut out button on the MIP, the button appears in the GUI and i set it as "PM GC controls (by param)",  in the offset i put 5653 and param .7

Maybe that is correct?

Thanks again, i could not have kept this project alive without your help.

 

 

[Thomas Richter]

Hi,

6 hours ago, NicHer said:

Please clarify, do you mean CPFlight manuals or Project Magenta manuals? 

Seems you didn't check either?

If you would have checked the PM manual you have found that the offset info I gave, 5653 .7 is listed as

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5600 0x100 pmSystems Offsets (to56FF) see pmSystems sysvar.txt file

so going to that file you will find

5653 .7 bellcutout

more information about that you will find in their, Project Magenta, manual about what that means

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A little bit of search would have answered, or as well, as John already suggested, contacting PM support for more information.

Thomas

[NicHer]

Thank you Thomas and John. I have read your comments 10 times and still do not understand. I presume from your help that my way forward in FSUIPC is not correct.

I do not want you to think that i am not reading manuals, i assure you in general in undertaking this project i have read the PM manuals, CPFlight manuals, FSUIPC manuals, FSX manuals, SIOC manuals, Flight Illusion manuals, Networking manuals, and IntefaceIT manuals and sometimes just giving enough time to a problem makes it work - also known as blind luck ! :0) 

For the offset code you kindly provided and explored all references to it online including the manuals, hence connecting to this 2015 topic. 

I will keep trying to learn more and will approach Enrico again. 

I cant thank you enough for your support.

KR

 

[NickH]

Dead Thomas and John, I have tried for almost a year to make this work but cannot. I have engaged the help of Enrico at PM but am still at a loss. 

The simulator uses your TSR systems Thomas and so i feel that any PM systems work Enrico does would not be suitable or fair. I also have tried to modify the cpflight ascii text but it doesnt like it.

I have tried modifying the failure.txt in the instructor station and have been able to activate the fire bell and the engine fire lamps. Offset 6099 or something like that.. i am not at the sim. 

However when i press the firebell cutout on the glaresheild the firebell sound does not stop. 

Is there anything you could guide me with? I have spent many hours by myself but now i need to ask for help.

thank you 

nick 

[John Dowson]

I'm sorry Nick but I really can't help you with this.  You really need support from PM or CPFlight, or from @Thomas Richter for TSR.

John

[NicHer]

Hi John if you could kindly pass the message onto Thomas I would greatly appreciate it. Thank you 

[Thomas Richter]

Hi,

@NicHer

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The simulator uses your TSR systems

first as you know you don't have a license for Systems B737. There have been only 5 personal licenses given at all. The Simulator you bought of a good friend of a mine that died tragically, included the original PC's with installed software on it but licenses are Personal licenses.

I advised you multiple times to not use Systems B737 software as that was special set up for the simulator at the time, but instead getting a license of PM_Systems software and start with the system setup from scratch to have it work in the way you want/need it, as you or someone else might have to maintain it.

The Offset for B737 System software for FireWarn button is 0x6DB4 - Bit5 but depends if the internal SixPack logic is used. I don't have records of the original setup, as that was left with the friend.

Thomas